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#1 ·
Ohh I've been at it again. shhhhh [antiques]

Went shopping again today and have found many things. I found 2 fore planes, molding planes, grooving planes, rabbit plane and a folding ruler.

My tool restoration skills are fixing to be sharpened

hey Dennis I need to borrow your gutter

Hey Mike do you think I will have time to catch up on the bucket

My lovely wife allowed me to spend $150.00 bucks today. She came back with a pig piggy bank. And our daughters go prom dresses.
I think I got the better deal.
 
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#150 ·
Sandusky jack plane off of ebay

My latest find from eBay came today. It is a Ogontz #13 jack Plane. Sandusky Tool co. is on the iron. First a little provenance on the plane.
Sandusky Tool Co.
Sandusky, Ohio
1869-1926
Tool Types
Axes, Clamps, hammers, Hoes, Metal Planes, Picks, Plane Irons, Screwdrivers, Shaves

Aside from planes, this company may have solely been a distributor for some items. Patented planes include one by Cyrus Kinney in 1855, two by Ellis H. Morris on 8 November 1870 and 21 March 1871, and one by Harmon Vandbuskirk on 30 November 1869. They were bought by American Fork & Hoe Co. in 1926.
Identifying Marks
SANDUSKY TOOL CO/OHIO (in straight lines or scrolled double curve); SANDUSKY TOOL CO/SANDUSKY OHIO (name curved); OGONTZ TOOL CO.

Marketed by Hibbard, Spencer and Bartlett Hardware companies.

They also contracted labor from a local penitentiary. The plane could have been made by an inmate. From the tool catalogs I have found Sandusky didn't make wooden style planes. They subed it out to Ogontz who contracted the prison system to make them. This is the second plane I have acquired that was produced this way.
When I recieved the plane, the wedge had a small chip and the iron screw was missing.



The body was in almost perfect condition.

I went to the hardware store and purchased a 5/16 coarse thread slotted screw and washer.


The Iron had a bit of bow to it but the bow was in the upper end. A bit of hammer action cured this.


So after straightening the iron and cutting of the excess of the screw.


Now to the sole. My normal method is a piece of glass and some 120 grit.


But after a few passes the sole was not in good condition. Also someone had ran a toothing plane at some point across it.


So the mother of invention called and I needed some coarse paper. I cut 2 sanding belts with the grit of 40 and 80.


That did the trick. I don't like getting that coarse with a plane but it was needed.

Then it was time for some attention to the body. A good rub down with turpentine and then some linseed oil.


The grain of the beach really came out.


I spent about 30 minutes on the iron trying to take off no telling how many years of corrosion.

Its Friday and getting late so I will place the new jack on my till and go inside. I will get to finishing the iron this weekend.
 
#151 ·
The prison labor making these makes for an interesting story. While I'm not into handplanes, you know I like history behind things. I wonder if any of these prisoners ever secretly left thier mark somewhere to identify themselves as the maker of such tools. Just a thought that popped in my head.
 
#167 ·
Finishing of the Sandusky plane iron

Well I spent over 3 hours getting the iron and chip breaker sharp and square and wow. I had left them in this state Friday.

The iron had a heavy camber to it. But with some honing.


There is a tiny bit of damage to the corners but I had removed a lot of material and the damage will be removed with future sharpening.



The first chips on the edge of a 2/4.


Not to bad.


I had to get a piece of walnut and give it a try.
before


after


I am pleased with the outcome. Not bad for $22.00 plus shipping. To me that is the worst part of eBay is the shipping cost.
Thanks William for the Walnut.
 
#168 ·
Sweet - nice job of reviving this cool old tool. I am just soaking up the info, because I am aquiring a few old planes here and there and someday want to make them sing again. I find it particularly tricky to get the old wood planes adjusted correctly.

Thanks Dave.

Jeff
 
#185 ·
Stanley 71

I won a bid on eBay for a Stanley 71 for $19.02 plus shipping. I was very pleased for the chance to own such a fine plane.
Here is the picture that was posted on eBay.
Bicycle part Rim Auto part Metal Titanium


And here is a bit of a break down when I received it.








After break down. Sorry no pictures of the process. I wiped everything down with acetone and a wire brush. I took my roto tool and got the rust out of all the nooks and cracks. The original finish was only 60 percent there. I am wanting a good clean user thus I painted it with metallic metal paint. Usually I leave most of my planes as is and just oil them , not this time. I scraped the knobs and then teak oiled them. I used amber shellac with an airbrush to apply about 5 coats. Then sharpened the cutter and reassembled. The plane is a type 6 from 1909 to 1915.I wanted the paint to completely cover the base all the way to the edges. So the bottom got shot to. I will take some wet or dry 400 and remove it from the sole after a few days of the paint curing. A few pictures.













Sorry for the clipped pictures. I had to use photo bucket.
 

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#186 ·
Stanley 71

I won a bid on eBay for a Stanley 71 for $19.02 plus shipping. I was very pleased for the chance to own such a fine plane.
Here is the picture that was posted on eBay.
Bicycle part Rim Auto part Metal Titanium


And here is a bit of a break down when I received it.








After break down. Sorry no pictures of the process. I wiped everything down with acetone and a wire brush. I took my roto tool and got the rust out of all the nooks and cracks. The original finish was only 60 percent there. I am wanting a good clean user thus I painted it with metallic metal paint. Usually I leave most of my planes as is and just oil them , not this time. I scraped the knobs and then teak oiled them. I used amber shellac with an airbrush to apply about 5 coats. Then sharpened the cutter and reassembled. The plane is a type 6 from 1909 to 1915.I wanted the paint to completely cover the base all the way to the edges. So the bottom got shot to. I will take some wet or dry 400 and remove it from the sole after a few days of the paint curing. A few pictures.













Sorry for the clipped pictures. I had to use photo bucket.
Holy Crap that thing looks good!! Sweet Job man.
 

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#220 ·
Electrolysis is my method of choice for rust removal, what is yours?

Electrolysis has become my favorite way to clean an old tool. It is a chemical method but is one of the cleanest and greenest ways to do it. First I clean the dirt and debris off of the project. Then take a roto tool with a brush and loosen paint, grease and large rust deposits. I believe this method leaves as much of the original metal as possible. There are some fine articles on the subject. WWGOA , americanwoodworker , and a ton of or lj's have posted on the subject, here is just one..
There are many ways to do this and if I was to use another I probably would choose citric acid. [thanks Dennis]
Now today I have an old sargent plane that I found at an antique shop. I had cleaned it up rather quickly and tuned the iron. I used it for about a month and have found myself grabbing it first. So the need to put a real cleaning and tuning came about. I broke the plane down tied the main pieces together with copper wire. I was in the mist of doing a glue up. You know the drill , glue wait, glue wait….... I then grabbed a plastic container, fixed it up with a good solid method for attaching leads to. Then I went looking for a power supply. Most of the articles tell you to use a car battery charger. The new style charger is designed to charge a car battery. The technology is smart enough to tell if there is a load attached to it. So the new ones will not even come on unless you place a battery in the loop. I happen to have a good old 12 volt power supply that will crank out about 15 amps if needed. Leftovers from working in the oil fields. I placed the plane in the plastic bin and turned the power on. She started the process instantly.And the cost was nothing. I used materials that were on hand. To me that is the beauty of it. I will take some pictures of the finished plane a post when it is done.
Here is a video of the cooking process, its about a minute and a half.
 
#278 ·
An old stick n rabbet

Here is an old plane that BoxCarMarty helped me find. It seems that the British used a whole bunch of planes to make a window sash. The Americans invented a version to cut the inner and outer groves at the same time.The outer is called the stick because of the sticking board used to make it. The inner grove is a rabbet that the glass would be set in then glazed. My wife has been on me to get her a few old windows so she could put pictures in them and hang em on the wall.

Well being the cheapskate that I am I can now make any size needed.
 
#279 ·
Golly!

That one lil tool did ALL THAT… in just a few passes!!

Awesome!

I wonder if Roy Underhill has one of those…?

That is one COOL TOOL!

Thank you!
 
#305 ·
Stanley 95 and holdfasts

I had bought a Stanley 95 and it was missing the cap screw. I searched the internet high and low to find one. There were none to be found. I had gone as far as New Zealand. Some of the LJ"S were taking screws from other style planes and letting me know if they would swap out. I couldn't even find those screws. Thanks Smitty. A fellow LJ offered to get his brother to make me one. I sent the cap and BoxCarMarty returned it with a wonderful screw. Thanks, now I have a working 95 and the threads remained stock. That will help it hold the value. I sharpened the iron and gave it a spin.
Oh there was something else in the box as well…........
 
#330 ·
A Tune-up on a Fore Plane

As most of you guys know I love my wood planes. I try to keep them in razor sharp condition at all times. They are a bit more needy than a metal plane. The sole doesn't rust but is made of wood and it has a tendency to move. I don't have any big projects sitting on the bench and had a half an afternoon. I grabbed one of my fore (some call it a jack) planes and tuned it up. You will first see the removal of the wedge. You can hit the plane on the top of the toe or heel. After the wedge removal I disassembled the iron. The chip breaker had some chips between it and the iron. That required to re-flatten the breaker. I also try to check the bottom face of the iron for flatness. They both were in need of attention. I do this on the worksharp. Once that is done then sharpening the iron on the Tormek. The plane needs a good cleaning and I do this with turpentine. I then reoiled the wood with BLO. Reassemble and test. I only hit the wedge with a wood mallet and the iron with a brass hammer.
The fore plane is the first plane you go to for surfacing a board They are considered a coarse plane. I have 3 good ones and keep them at different levels of stock removal. It is not critical that the sole be absolutely flat. The object is to remove stock fast. The mouth can be pretty wide as well. After the fore you would use a tri or jointer plane. That would get you to flat and square. Those are considered medium planes. Then you would use your smoother to finish the surface. That would be considered your fine grade plane. IMHO
Please ask questions, or comment. That is how I learn.
Thank you for your time.
A short Video
 
#366 ·
Irwin Auger Bits

One after noon I had some time on my hands and took a little trip on my bike to one of my favorite antique shops. There was a almost complete set od Irwin auger bits in a boxed set. I had to wait a few days and went back with $30 and brought it home.
This is what I got.
Wood Rectangle Wood stain Hardwood Flooring


Table Wood Wood stain Floor Plank


Wood Wood stain Table Hardwood Gas


Wood Gas Metal Art Cooking


The set was off a bit or two. It had a few extra of the same size. I scrounged around the shop and managed to come up with the missing ones the make the set completely Iwin. I then broke out the electrolysis bucket and cooked them a bit.
Food Arthropod Insect Ingredient Recipe


Hood Amber Wood Metal Fashion accessory


Gas Recreation Composite material Engineering Machine


I then tended to the box with a bit of BLo and some glue. The bits range from a #4 to #16. they were cooked then polished and sharpened.
Wood Gas Metal Steel Auto part


Wood Gas Metal Composite material Auto part


Tool Kitchen utensil Gas Wood Metalworking hand tool


Fluid Water Automotive lighting Amber Liquid


Wood Hardwood Metal Wood stain Varnish


Automotive tire Metal Auto part Composite material Wood


What good are bits without a few drills and braces.
Wood Hardwood Gas Metal Tool


Wood Gas Hardwood Wood stain Flooring


And I have found a complete set of bits for my push drill. I am not telling what I paid for those. They were more than the drill
Wood Wood stain Hardwood Tool Varnish


This has been fun. Thanks for your time.
 

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#367 ·
Irwin Auger Bits

One after noon I had some time on my hands and took a little trip on my bike to one of my favorite antique shops. There was a almost complete set od Irwin auger bits in a boxed set. I had to wait a few days and went back with $30 and brought it home.
This is what I got.
Wood Rectangle Wood stain Hardwood Flooring


Table Wood Wood stain Floor Plank


Wood Wood stain Table Hardwood Gas


Wood Gas Metal Art Cooking


The set was off a bit or two. It had a few extra of the same size. I scrounged around the shop and managed to come up with the missing ones the make the set completely Iwin. I then broke out the electrolysis bucket and cooked them a bit.
Food Arthropod Insect Ingredient Recipe


Hood Amber Wood Metal Fashion accessory


Gas Recreation Composite material Engineering Machine


I then tended to the box with a bit of BLo and some glue. The bits range from a #4 to #16. they were cooked then polished and sharpened.
Wood Gas Metal Steel Auto part


Wood Gas Metal Composite material Auto part


Tool Kitchen utensil Gas Wood Metalworking hand tool


Fluid Water Automotive lighting Amber Liquid


Wood Hardwood Metal Wood stain Varnish


Automotive tire Metal Auto part Composite material Wood


What good are bits without a few drills and braces.
Wood Hardwood Gas Metal Tool


Wood Gas Hardwood Wood stain Flooring


And I have found a complete set of bits for my push drill. I am not telling what I paid for those. They were more than the drill
Wood Wood stain Hardwood Tool Varnish


This has been fun. Thanks for your time.
Dave - that is a cool set. Nice job on the restoration….that box is way cool also…....you are building the arsenal!
 

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#391 ·
Refurbishing an eBay $10 traditional smoother

This is a 9" coffin smoother purchased from eBay. It is a Cassy Clark and Co. from Auburn NY with a Clover Leaf iron.
Cassy Clark and CO.
The firm is known to exist from 1864 to 1893. George Casey reorganized the firm of Casey, Clark and Company as a joint stock company in 1864, under the firm name of Auburn Tool Company, capitalized at $700, 000. The 1865 New York State Census noted the firm as a manufacturer of plane, plane irons, and skates.
During 1864-65 and from 1874-77 the company used prison labor at the Auburn Prison The 1865 NY census reported that 50 men were employed, producing 35,000 planes worth $35,000, 25,000 dozen plane irons worth $12,000 and 30,000 pairs of ice skates worth $45,000 utilizing steam power.

Clover Leaf Irons
Reynolds & Co., manufacturers of steel cultivator teeth and workers in all kinds of sheet metal, are located on Washington Street near Barber's mills. The business was established in 1861, on Mechanic Street, near the Auburn City Mills, by Asa R. Reynolds and his sons Samuel P., Mark and Napoleon.

There is a bit of history on the plane and iron manufacture.
I intended to make this a user. The body was cracked bad. The plane needed a lot of care. The iron had been chipped and put on a grinder in a poor fashion.
I broke the plane down and assessed my approach to the repair and rebuilding of it.
I used super glue gel to repair the body. Electrolysis to derust the irons and a worksharp 300, tormek combination to true up the iron and chip breaker.
I still need to finish the iron and square the bottom. After I test it I will assess if I need to replace the bottom. Part 2 is on its way.
Thank you for your time.
Check out my new blog www.chiselandforge.com an eBay $10 traditional smoother
My video
 
#392 ·
Very GOOD!

Nice buy!

Going to be fun to see how it looks when you're done…

Thank you.
 
#418 ·
Coffin Smoother part 2

A little more on the history of our American Planes.
Prison Labor was used by a lot of plane makers.
From the early 1800's development efforts appear to be aimed at reducing labor costs and those reductions translated to a steady decline in the quality of wooden planes. American plane makers seem to have led the way in the effort save labor but British planes also suffered from the effects of cost cutting. The ultimate expression of this cost cutting probably was the use of prison labor by some US plane makers. Some of the changes include standardizing wedge thickness to two or three sizes, ill advised introduction of early machine production, reducing efforts at chamfering and shoulder details. Each of these has cascading results that impair the function, feel and quality of the planes.

Now after about an hour of sharpening on the Tormek, I finally got the chips out of the iron. I reassembled the plane and trued up the bottom.
Here are the results.
 
#439 ·
Traditional Moulding Plane

Here is a video on a plane refurbish from out of the box to use. The plane was bought online and a pleasant surprise when I got it. I have also posted this on my blog. It goes a bit more in depth.
ChiselandForge.com
Wood Hardwood Plywood Art Flooring


Enjoy.
Very cool Dave. Great video, looks like a really nice molding plane. Thanks for the post and have fun making shaves!

Take care,

Joe
 

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#479 ·
A four inch coffin smoother.

Hello, I found this little plane on ebay and had to have it.
Wood Cuisine Dish Circle Still life photography


I believe David Ward made it.
Wood Wood stain Hardwood Varnish Plank


I used turpentine and BLO for the refurbish
Wood Hardwood Flooring Gas Ingredient


The shavings and finish it left are amazing.
Food Table Ingredient Wood Recipe


 

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#480 ·
A four inch coffin smoother.

Hello, I found this little plane on ebay and had to have it.
Wood Cuisine Dish Circle Still life photography


I believe David Ward made it.
Wood Wood stain Hardwood Varnish Plank


I used turpentine and BLO for the refurbish
Wood Hardwood Flooring Gas Ingredient


The shavings and finish it left are amazing.
Food Table Ingredient Wood Recipe


Very nice Dave.
One day I'll luck up on some of these planes like you do, when I have the money.
Anytime I have money to spend, all I find are overpriced.
 

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#515 ·
Wood Plane 101

A few people have had some questions about the ways I have done some of the refurbishing and purchasing of old traditional wooden planes.
Here is a short video on some of the things I have learned through the years.
These are my methods and opinions in refurbishing ole planes.
 
#516 ·
Hey SuperDave!

It was nice looking you straight in the eye and listening to your voice… instead of the silent treatment…
... they both have their uses… I like the silent treatment in it's place… I also like some voice once in awhile, when required for clarity, etc.

GOOD JOB!

I learned something!

Thank you!
 
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