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Blog entry by chrisstef posted 07-09-2013 12:31 AM 1162 reads 0 times favorited 57 comments Add to Favorites Watch
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If you like to endure pain like only shopping for tools can inflict then you can commiserate. Last post i had the vice and file holder made and i had jointed my 4.5 ppi rip saw. I Got a bunch of gear in required for my mission and i was waiting on my order of Simonds files to come in. Today i took delivery of 3 of the 4 boxes and of course the 8” regular taper file, needed for this saw, was the undelivered item. Another week. Sweet.

So, not the most expert on files i figure we can talk about what makes a good file? What we notice between the Simonds and the Nicholsons i have in the same size and whatever else you wanna talk about.

I noticed that the tangs on the Nichys (top) are miscolored like you can see all different heating colors and not as well shaped as the red tanged Simonds.

The taper at the tip of these 6” x slim is slightly different. Simonds on the right.

You cant see it but the cutting edge of the of the simonds extends, at the edges only, all the way to the tip of the file.
The Nichy does not.

-- "there aren’t many hand tools as awe-inspiring as the #8 jointer. I mean, it just reeks of cast iron heft and hubris" - Smitty



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theoldfart

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#1 posted 07-09-2013 02:11 AM

Stef, what’s the advantage of the cutting edge going to the end? It looks like the flats of the file don’t go there. Is this used on the gullets only?

-- "Aged flatus, I heard that some one has already blown out your mortise." THE Surgeon ……………………………………. Kevin

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#2 posted 07-09-2013 04:23 AM

The difference in quality is obvious if you ask me. Which you didn’t.

-- It isn't the mountains ahead to climb that wear you out; it's the pebble in your shoe. - Muhammad Ali

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Airframer

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#3 posted 07-09-2013 07:46 AM

Where did you source up the Simonds files at? Inquiring minds want to know!

-- Eric - "I'm getting proficient with these hand jobbers. - BigRedKnothead"

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chrisstef

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#4 posted 07-09-2013 11:23 AM

Kevin – im not sure of the answer to that but i was able to pull a Grobet file and, like the Simonds, the serrations extend to the tip of the file at the edges.

Scotty – your opinion is welcomed with open arms.

Eric – i ended up callin simonds international who turned me on to a local distributor. By the box of 12 only.

-- "there aren’t many hand tools as awe-inspiring as the #8 jointer. I mean, it just reeks of cast iron heft and hubris" - Smitty

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AnthonyReed

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#5 posted 07-09-2013 01:30 PM

Sorry to hear of the delay but thank you for the continuing education.

-- ~Tony

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chrisstef

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#6 posted 07-09-2013 01:36 PM

It is what it is on the wait Tony. Ill live. We’re all learning along together here and that’s the cool part. I just wanna sharpen something!

-- "there aren’t many hand tools as awe-inspiring as the #8 jointer. I mean, it just reeks of cast iron heft and hubris" - Smitty

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#7 posted 07-09-2013 03:58 PM

At least you have something to get started now. Lee Valley had my file in stock! Should be here on Thursday with a tube of Autosol!

-- Mauricio - Woodstock, GA - "Confusion is the Womb of Learning, with utter conviction being it's Tomb" Prof. T.O. Nitsch

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chrisstef

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#8 posted 07-09-2013 05:04 PM

Well I could swap out saws in the vice and get going on a different saw but im really heart set on starting with a coarse toothed rip saw. I looked at my 8 ppi D7 last night and its too far gone to even attempt a sharpening. No plate left, ungodly wavy tooth line and kinked up pretty good. Looks like ill scab the saw nuts, medallion and handle for salvage. Maybe ill cut it down into a back saw or something. Ill remain patient and wait until next week to sharpen the shovel ready 4 1/2 ppi saw. In the mean time ill do some more learnin …

-- "there aren’t many hand tools as awe-inspiring as the #8 jointer. I mean, it just reeks of cast iron heft and hubris" - Smitty

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Brit

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#9 posted 07-09-2013 08:55 PM

Kevin – The reason the teeth on the edge extend past the teeth on the face at the point is so that they clean the filings out of the gullets at the start of each stroke before the teeth on the face start cutting again. Once upon a time, all files were cut like that. Not a huge issue, but it is one of the many details that together make a quality saw file.

-- Andy -- Old Chinese proverb say: If you think something can't be done, don't interrupt man who is doing it.

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theoldfart

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#10 posted 07-09-2013 09:06 PM

Andy, thanks. Make sense!

-- "Aged flatus, I heard that some one has already blown out your mortise." THE Surgeon ……………………………………. Kevin

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AnthonyReed

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#11 posted 07-09-2013 09:09 PM

Man-o-man there is lot of information in the British brain….

-- ~Tony

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chrisstef

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#12 posted 07-09-2013 10:15 PM

Thanks for clearing up that mystery Andy. Droppin knowledge.

-- "there aren’t many hand tools as awe-inspiring as the #8 jointer. I mean, it just reeks of cast iron heft and hubris" - Smitty

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lysdexic

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#13 posted 07-09-2013 10:18 PM

pppffft…...you didn’t know that?! friggin r’tard.

-- It isn't the mountains ahead to climb that wear you out; it's the pebble in your shoe. - Muhammad Ali

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Brit

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#14 posted 07-09-2013 10:23 PM

I hope you guys have all signed the petition to get quality saw files produced once more. If not, why not? We only need 13 signatures now to reach 500. We CAN DO this.

https://www.change.org/petitions/saw-file-manufacturers-please-make-quality-files-for-sharpening-handsaws

-- Andy -- Old Chinese proverb say: If you think something can't be done, don't interrupt man who is doing it.

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chrisstef

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#15 posted 07-09-2013 10:53 PM

Indeed i have Andy.

-- "there aren’t many hand tools as awe-inspiring as the #8 jointer. I mean, it just reeks of cast iron heft and hubris" - Smitty

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