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New Home Workshop #13: Duck!!!! Duct!!

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Blog entry by builtinbkyn posted 03-17-2018 02:18 AM 688 reads 0 times favorited 25 comments Add to Favorites Watch
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Moving forward with the dust collection, today I started the installation of the collector ducts. Oh what fun :( OK well parts were fun, like blasting thru the concrete block into the DC room. But two things weren’t fun – working overhead and working with 24ga. ducts.

Not sure why I let them talk me into 24ga., but that’s what I got and that’s what I have to install. I know they’re a little quieter and since the ceiling is low, they’re sure to be impacted by something. So 24ga. won’t dent when the inevitable happens. Speaking of low ceilings, the headroom clearance is 6’-2”. I’m not 6’-2”, so it’s someone else’s problem :)

Working with 24ga pipe isn’t fun and especially so for one person. The 7” sections are on the heavy side, as ducts go, and manipulating solo while trying to fasten them together, sucks. There’s no other word for it. Sorry. But all is good as I was able to get a decent start on this next phase today.

Some pics du jour.

OK so here is where I started off with a grinder and a lump hammer as I didn’t feel like digging thru boxes for my chipping gun. Not a good move.

Needed the chipper.

Made a nice hole.

Then started to run the ducts. Oh yeah, they’re snap-lock pipe. Sounds good, but they don’t snap or lock without effort when they’re 24ga.

Another thing about 24ga. It’s not fun to cut it by hand – especially 7” ducts and especially the folded seams for the snap-lock even when they’re not yet closed. So I made a visit to the big orange store and picked up the only electric shears they had. This made short work of cutting the pipe to length.

Moving right along …........

-- Bill, Yo!......in Brooklyn & Steel City :)



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#1 posted 03-17-2018 02:20 AM

But I have a good start and now it’s a late beer-thirty :)

Tomorrow is another day :)

-- Bill, Yo!......in Brooklyn & Steel City :)

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#2 posted 03-17-2018 02:26 AM

Hooking up a dust collector looks like it sure sucks, Bill. I say you chuck it all in and switch to galooting. ;-)

-- Dave - Minneapolis

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#3 posted 03-17-2018 02:33 AM


Hooking up a dust collector looks like it sure sucks, Bill. I say you chuck it all in and switch to galooting. ;-)

- Dave Polaschek


LOL well I’m a woodworker not a tin knocker. So yes it does suck :) I think I’ll be happy when I can just head to the shop and not have to think about anything but working wood ;P

-- Bill, Yo!......in Brooklyn & Steel City :)

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#4 posted 03-17-2018 02:36 AM


Hooking up a dust collector looks like it sure sucks, Bill. I say you chuck it all in and switch to galooting. ;-)

- Dave Polaschek


Ya’ know Dave, I have a good name for your new business – Galoot Woodwerks. I won’t charge you for that ;)

-- Bill, Yo!......in Brooklyn & Steel City :)

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#5 posted 03-17-2018 03:18 AM

Thanks Bill, but no business for me. Doing something as a job is the surest way I’ve found to suck the fun out of it. I’ll keep woodworking play. If it costs me less per year than blood pressure medicine, it’s a bargain!

-- Dave - Minneapolis

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#6 posted 03-17-2018 11:49 AM

The space and organization in your shop…well, it looks like such a great place to work.

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#7 posted 03-17-2018 12:41 PM



The space and organization in your shop…well, it looks like such a great place to work.

- BB1


Thanks BB, but it’s just the ‘framing’ of the pics :P And oh, if you saw it this morning …... lol

Really, getting the shop organized into an inviting place to do woodworking, is part of the fun. But the real fun will be doing some projects there.

-- Bill, Yo!......in Brooklyn & Steel City :)

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#8 posted 03-17-2018 04:20 PM

There are some very sucky comments on this sucky post. I don’t get what the big deal is, a little sawdust (cough) never (COUGH< COUGH) never hurt anyone. cough. ;)

-- Brian Noel

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#9 posted 03-17-2018 05:44 PM


There are some very sucky comments on this sucky post.

- bearkatwood


Hey a guys entitled to whine once in a while isn’t he? :O

Not going as swiftly as I would like, but progress. Have a rubber mallet on had if you’re doing this on your own. Helps ‘ease’ the larger pipe together :)

A grinder helps to remove a rivet so I can get the shears where they need to be to cut the elbow.

My second pair of hands :)

This is the most complicated section of the run. It’s where the two ports for the router table land and where the main branches off toward the other side of the room to pick up two ports for the table saw and then continues across to the drill press and lathe.

No matter how many dimensions you supply to Oneida, field conditions and another look at exactly where you want the machines to go, will require some field modifications. I also learned that taping the articulations on elbows and transitions prior to assembly, helps keep them where you want them during assembly.

-- Bill, Yo!......in Brooklyn & Steel City :)

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#10 posted 03-17-2018 08:53 PM

Bill, it looks professionally done, but I would expect nothing less from you.

-- Art

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#11 posted 03-17-2018 09:09 PM

Nice job, Smooth tight ducting, remote collector that looks to be plenty powerful, clean lines. Great installation. This is going to work really nice.

-- The smell of wood, coffee in the cup, the wife let's me do my thing, the lake is peaceful.

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#12 posted 03-18-2018 01:03 AM

Bill: Man that is a LOT of work/lifting/holding/carrying for just one set of hands, friend. Can you not get/find any help? I would love to jump in, I enjoy doing that kind work, but I am a long way away. Excellent job so far, by the way. Keep it up, it will be worth it.

Tim

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#13 posted 03-18-2018 01:33 PM

Thank you gentlemen. The ducts look great until you put foil tape on them. But it’s a necessary evil. Better to have efficient dust collection than handsome pipes lol

The duct install is on hold for a short bit while I relocate and also install some additional light fixtures. After seeing where the main and branch runs fall, it became necessary to move some fixtures which then prompted the need for a few more in strategic locations. So I’ll get back to the DC install after doing that. However the first thing I need to do before doing anything else is a cleanup. It looks like a hurricane blew thru the shop.

Working above a suspended ceiling has proven to be more difficult than I anticipated. The DC ducts need to be suspended from the first floor framing joists, but the existing HVAC ducts fill the ceiling above and are difficult to work around to get the support where it’s needed. There’s also an inordinate amount of wiring up there. I shake my head every time l look. The original owner had a thing for running Cat5 and leaving huge spools of pre-run cables for future use. The house being built in the late 70s meant hardwired land lines were still prevalent, so he ran Cat5 for the phones too. Each room has multiple locations for phone and hardwired internet service, which is now pretty much useless. It’s not an exaggeration to say there’s miles of Cat5 in the ceiling in addition to the massive amount of 12/3 NMB.

I’ll get this done and be happy when it is. :)

-- Bill, Yo!......in Brooklyn & Steel City :)

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#14 posted 03-18-2018 05:07 PM

I’ve been in my house for fourteen years, and I’m still removing cable the previous owner put in “just in case.”

My philosophy now is, “if it isn’t live, it’s outta here.” The electrician who wired my new basement bathroom two years ago complimented me on how clean my basement was. That was after three or four years of pulling crap outta the rafters. Ugh.

Good luck getting it cleaned up and buttoned up, Bill.

-- Dave - Minneapolis

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#15 posted 03-19-2018 12:32 AM

I was able to relocate the lights that were impacted by the main duct run and installed three more fixtures. Man I hate working in that ceiling lol

Then there was a bit of a diversion. My microwave bit the dust and thankfully so. I didn’t like it anyway. My new microwave arrived yesterday afternoon, so I took the opportunity this afternoon, to install it. Now I’m having a little St. Joseph dinner. Tomorrow I’ll hopefully finish up the dust collector system.

A beer for anyone who knows what I’m having for dinner :)

-- Bill, Yo!......in Brooklyn & Steel City :)

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