A new shop in the making #3: moving the gardens

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Blog entry by Bob #2 posted 05-12-2008 01:39 AM 1364 reads 0 times favorited 17 comments Add to Favorites Watch
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Every Little job is becoming a little pain in my back.
This morning I new I had to remove 5 five by five square foot garden retaining walls and move them “temporarly” in front of the construction site.
No big deal right.?
It was an exercise in humility as the old timber had begun to rot after 20 years and had also taken on much water. ( I’m figuring about 300 lbs a piece. ( My wife helped by holding the frames upright while I “skooged” the hulks across the lawn one bowel bursting lift at a time.

Here’s where they were at 7:00 am

Here’s where they are now 3:00 pm :

Tomorrow I begin the shoveling and sniveling until the soil is moved and the site is leveled.

Did I memtion the 10 foot apple tree that was moved off the site yesterday.

Man o’ Man what a hobby! <g>

-- A mind, like a home, is furnished by its owner

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#1 posted 05-12-2008 02:02 AM

I would say it looks like the fun is beginning but this is work not fun. The fun will start when the site prep work is done. I don’t enjoy digging by hand- that is one tough job. But this is looking fairly interesting so far and I am sure that the end result will be well worth the effort you are putting into this.

Keep the progress posts coming.

-- Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes life meaningful- Joshua Marine

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#2 posted 05-12-2008 03:22 AM

The “fun” has started!

-- Gary - Never pass up the opportunity to make a mistake look like you planned it that way - Tyler, TX

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#3 posted 05-12-2008 03:22 AM

I’m suddenly glad you declined my offer to help.

-- You can discover more about a person in an hour of play than in a year of conversation. (Plato)

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#4 posted 05-12-2008 03:32 AM

Your on your way to dream realized. Keep the momentum you’ve created going and before you know it you’ll have a new shop.

Enough Korn, I hope to see more entries on your blog.

Thanks for the post.

-- Kip Northern Illinois ( If you don't know where your goin any road will take you there) George Harrison

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#5 posted 05-12-2008 03:32 AM

Hm, 10 ft. of Apple tree. . . .the wood any good?

I wanted to ask about your plans for the foundation? Are you going to sink the piers (sonatubes) yourself and do the construction? Are you going to lay gravel, place foam board insulation between the joists, and then cover the bottom with vapour barrier?

Your comment that, “every little job was a pain in the back”, reminded me of how physically gruelling it was to do all the above, after the fact (my crawl space goes from 3 ft to 1 ft.). I thought I’d mention it since it seemed to make a significant difference in the heat retention of the floor and the amount of moisture coming up through. Living in the frost zone you probably already planned for that, but it did not seem to be something the builders remembered to do (and I had it in the contract).

Pardon me if my concerns and comments are superfluous.

There is only one thing worse than building a retaining wall . . .and that is trying to take a one down!

Take care.

-- SM

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#6 posted 05-12-2008 03:47 AM

The tree is a norlund variety and has never produced fruit where I planted It . The crab on th other side of the lot succumbed to old age an my Green thumb so I am hoping it survives the move .
I’ll let you know about the wood on the old crab in short order cause it’s on the block for this week.

The foundation:
I was planning to sit the building on skids to dodge several requirements by the city here.
That means concrete blocks essentially with 8×8 skids under the sub-floor .

That means a vapor barrier on the bottom and foam insulation in the spaces. I’m doing a 10,000 sq foot roof with urea foam so am prevailing on the applier to give me a spray job on the joists before I enclose the floor. It should be about R 20 by the old standard but given the stuff doesn’t breath you can call it R30.


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#7 posted 05-12-2008 03:49 AM

Mot yer still on standby. <g>


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#8 posted 05-12-2008 05:02 AM

Looking good so far!

-- If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until it's free! PJ O'Rourke

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#9 posted 05-12-2008 01:59 PM

Bob, The Garden redesign, once its all done, you can sit back and say to yourself, Thats it, done finished, no more, I can sit back and enjoy this in years to come – that is until ”she who must be obeyed” deides things need improving or changing.

The only good thing about my garden expolits, is that the “good lady” has agreed to my modest extension to my workshop (14*5).

Good luck with the entire project, I hope you manage to get the roof on the workshop soon, at least it will be somewhere dry to wait until the rain stops.

-- Tony - All things are possible, just some things are more difficult than others! - SKYPE: Heron2005 (

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#10 posted 05-12-2008 03:44 PM

Tony, I have my fingers crossed that SWMBO will limit here recommendations to asking me to make it a bit bigger! – Fat chance! <g>


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#11 posted 05-12-2008 10:10 PM


It’s looking great. It will be nice to see the crab apple wood. I found that bing cherry has a few purple streaks through the wood.

-- I've been blessed with a father who liked to tinker in wood, and a wife who lets me tinker in wood. Southern Delaware soon moving to Virginia †

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#12 posted 05-12-2008 10:51 PM

Karson I’m looking forward to getting everything put to bed so I can play with some of this stuff.


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#13 posted 05-12-2008 11:40 PM

oh my aching back – and I’m just READING about it

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#14 posted 05-13-2008 12:02 AM

Hey BOB …..
You probably already know this ..
Apple wood is GREAT BBQ wood ….so if you dont use it for Woodworking …..use it on that next pulled pork BBQ oh yes …
And CRAB apple is great for handles ….chisel handes and rasp handles good hardwood solid and slight figuring …The NW NATIVES have used it for handles on their awls and carving tools for a long long time …...
Looking forward to seeing more of your shop building exploits …

-- Mike in Bonney Lake " If you are real real real good your whole life, You 'll be buried in a curly maple coffin when you die."

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#15 posted 05-13-2008 12:44 AM

Mike, I didn’t know that as a matter of fact.
God, I love this place.
My native buddies tell me nothin! <g>

Deb,having pulled my back out in January and just getting comfortable again I’m going a bit easier this time.
I slept a few nights in a chair. ( fooey on that!)


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