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I finally got up the strength to give sketchup a try this week.
It has to be one of the most miserable programs I have ever tried to learn.
There is too much information, there is too little information and almost every step involves going out somewhere over the internet to gather up the basics.

Suffice it to say that the learning curve, at least for me, is daunting.

Here’s what I have learned so far:

I wanted a sketch to show me the approximate positioning of this shed relatve to my backyard so that we didn’t have to sacrifice too much real estate for the foot print.
I am shooting for 18’ x 22’
I had a different location picked out closer to the back door but it was over ruled as it deprived someone of the view out the kitchen window. <g>

I can still walk (so after the beating…) I moved the thing here.

It seems to be floating in the picture and I haven’t found any button or combination of same that will sink it into the background picture better.
I am definitely open to some help here.

There are bunch of stick frame components but I cant figure out how to use them as yet.

Here are some resources to look at if your are venturing into the sketchup realm:

Special thanks to NewLou at:

http://www.woodworkforums.com/showthread.php?t=46736

Google Video Sketchup Tutorials
http://sketchup.google.com/gsu5vtviewer.html#id=11

How to Download Google SketchUp 6 Video
http://labnol.blogspot.com/2007/01/h...ketchup-6.html

Sketchup Tutorials
http://www.caddtutorialsonline.com/s...tutorials.html

Go to School Podcasts
http://www.go-2-school.com/podcasts

Sketchup Shop Models
http://www.yda-online.com/shopmodels.htm

Sketchucation
http://www.sketchucation.com/

3D Furniture Models
http://www.kit3dmodels.com/

Sketchup resources
http://www.uoregon.edu/~graphics/resources/sketchup/

Learning more about Sketchup
http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com...554#post481554

The Sketchup Components Collection
http://scc.jazzle.co.uk/
Smustard

http://www.smustard.com/

http://www.sketchup.com/

http://forum.sketchup.com/

Bob

-- A mind, like a home, is furnished by its owner



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GaryK

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#1 posted 2312 days ago

I’m still trying to learn Sketchup also so I can’t offer any help.

Great looking shop and layout though. When do you plan on starting it?

-- Gary - Never pass up the opportunity to make a mistake look like you planned it that way - Tyler, TX

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Bob #2

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#2 posted 2312 days ago

Hi Gary, I pulled permit so will be starting just as soon as the ground is workable. I will need at least 6- 8” posts holes below the frost level to mount the bearing blocks .

Bob

-- A mind, like a home, is furnished by its owner

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ww_kayak

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#3 posted 2312 days ago

Although it may be just as frustrating if you still aren’t comfortable with sketchup …, the tool to use is Photo Match. It’s under the Camera → Match New Photo menu. Basically it lets match the perspective and/or focal length of the picture by overlaying a few lines on some parallel surfaces within the picture.

While it is easy, it is NOT intuitive, so I’d watch or read a tutorial. Here’s one I found with a quick search:

Video Tutorial

Good luck (not sarcastic :)

-- Tom, Central New York

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MsDebbieP

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#4 posted 2312 days ago

phew.. glad to hear that it isn’t blocking the view from kitchen window any longer!! :)

I can’t help with the program either… too frustrating for my level of desire.

-- ~ Debbie, Canada (https://www.facebook.com/DebbiePribeleENJOConsultant)

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Bob #2

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#5 posted 2312 days ago

Tom I watched that video a couple of days ago and apparently what I need is that fellow that demoing it. <g>

Mine looks like kindergarten.

Bob

-- A mind, like a home, is furnished by its owner

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Brad_Nailor

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#6 posted 2312 days ago

Hey Bob…not a bad start for someone who dosnt know Sketchup! If I could offer a few observations/suggestions..
It is always going to be tough to get a non photo-real rendered element to look correct in a photograph. No matter how you position it its always going to look like its floating, not to mention there are shadows in the photo and none on the building so that will add to the contradiction between elements. The bigger problems I see are that the structure looks like its floating off it’s foundation blocks. Also it looks like you have some things out of square/not perpendicular. If you look at the side wall either the wall itself isn’t a true rectangle, or the siding is applied croocked….same with the roof…if you look at the shingles they don’t run true to the edges of the structure. I would go back to your Sketchup drawing and bust out the measuring tape and start doing some checking. The one bad thing about SU is if your not careful it will allow you to build things out of skew. Make sure you have the units set to architectural and the tolerance set to 1/16”. Also set the snaps to the same 1/16”..it will make drawing accurately easier. Go back and make sure all your walls and roof structures are parallel and perpendicular and the right dimensions. When using the tape measure by default it will leave snap marks and guide lines when you use it…if you just want to measure with it hit the control key..that toggles it between leaving guides and just measuring..or what I do is I just use it with guides left on, click on where you want to start your measurement then when you get to the other point of measure don’t click…the tape should snap to the point by itself and the VCB (the little box in the lower right corner) will show the measurement. Then just hit ESC and then you can start another measurement and you wont leave a mark.

As far as photo match is concerned it is a great tool to help you line up your inserted image with the existing photo. I use it to get my sketchup image I am importing to match the perspective of the photo I am using as a background. Usually I do some lo res outputs to insert into the background image changing them slightly till I get the perspective correct. Then once it looks like it’s correct I render the structure with shadows turned on, then bring both images into photo shop and using layers and filters I combine the images to get the finished product. I am no expert on this..I just recently learned how to do this and I am still in trial and error mode. It is pretty tough to get it to look “real”

Details are the differance between a model looking real and a model looking “kindergaredenish” (your adjective!). One thing you might want to look at..you dont have windows..just holes in the walls..

If you want to post some specific questions or problems you are having with the software I would be happy to help you figure them out.

-- http://www.facebook.com/pages/DSO-Designs/297237806954248

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John Gray

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#7 posted 2312 days ago

I’ve tried Auto Cad and it was as Debbie said, “too frustrating for my level of desire” and I feel the same frustration with Sketchup…maybe later. Nice shop, thanks for the post.

-- Only the Shadow knows....................

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Bob #2

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#8 posted 2312 days ago

Thanks Brad.
That’s the kind of stuff that’s takes weeks to figure out.
I have mastered Photoshop, Illustrator, Indesign, Freehand and Pagemaker but this loosey goosey software seems to have a mind of its own and none of the legacy keyboard shortcuts that my brain has memorised will work with this one.

I appreciate all the help I can get.

John, I had considered giving up on this one but mystupid stubbrn streak set in. <g>

Bob

-- A mind, like a home, is furnished by its owner

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Callum Kendall

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#9 posted 2312 days ago

Nice shop cant wait to see it!

Thanks for the post

Callum

-- For wood working podcasts with a twist check out http://thetimberkid.com/

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mrtrim

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#10 posted 2311 days ago

looks good enough to me bob , but then id probably wet myself if i ever got past making a rectangle with the blasted thing ! lol i think youve done great in a short time

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Douglas Bordner

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#11 posted 2311 days ago

Bob,
I feel your pain. After years of living in an Adobe world, nothing about SketchUp seem intuitive, and the project has not yet been born that holds sufficient attraction to make me learn it. Especially since I should be learning Flash, Dreamweaver etc. (Ruby on Rails?) if I am going to tilt at new windmills.

Good luck with the project and the titillating prospect of have one’s own shop right out the back door (or just a few steps beyond).

-- "Bordnerizing" perfectly good lumber for over a decade.

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Bob #2

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#12 posted 2311 days ago

I’m pretty stubborn about things I can’t understand so sketchup is way up on my list of things to overcome.
I spent some more time with it today and have started a floor plan laying out my machines so I can figure out my eletrical feeds and dust collection.
I’‘ll try to log my progress and if possible leave a trail of sites that helped me get through this.
The building will be a piece of cake by comparison.

Bob

-- A mind, like a home, is furnished by its owner

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Brad_Nailor

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#13 posted 2311 days ago

Photoshop makes me want to pull my hair out! I am trying to get decent with it but its very frustrating.

Bob as far as shortcuts go, you can custom setup your own shortcuts for Sketchup. Under the window tab click preferences, then look for shortcuts.

-- http://www.facebook.com/pages/DSO-Designs/297237806954248

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Bob #2

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#14 posted 2311 days ago

I can empathize with you Brad. First there are too many tools in Photoshop that can get the new user into trouble.
I recommend using only the levels to adjust the raw pics to your liking and then using the brightness/contrast sliders to sneak up on it.
After that try the unsharp mask setting to pinch the pixels to make it pop a bit.
Go to image size now and drop the resolution to 72 ppi and keep the image size around 6” x 8”.
If you are going to post the pics on the web you can squeeze a few more pixels out of the image by ”save for the web”.
Try to keep your original images separated from your re purposed ones in case you need to go back at a later date.
Once you get a routine that will give you decent pics you can try some of the other features with a decent companion book .
I can’t recommend one as I don’t have any new ones but Deke McClellan is a pretty fair writer as is Blatner.

I’m driving myself crazy today with stick framing. I was hoping that they had and algorithm for offsetting a series of studs but I cant seem to see one . I have been deconstructing the preset frame members and rebuilding them. What a PIA. I could have done this job in half the time with Freehand.
Upward and onward.
I will not be denied! <vbg>

Bob

-- A mind, like a home, is furnished by its owner

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ww_kayak

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#15 posted 2310 days ago

Bob,

If you move a stud 16” with a tap of the CTRL key(makes a copy), and then type *30, it will create 30 studs 16 inches apart if that helps :) It’s actually detailed on the “Move tool” help page.

-- Tom, Central New York

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