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Pimping out an imported plane #1: New blades/old planes - first impressions

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I figured it was about time I tried to tweak a new plane. These planes were made in India, under the award brand, but they look very similar to those made by Groz Industries. , Ambika, and Anant tools etc.

I purchased these three planes at a local store here for from $15.00 to $40 each.
Having attempted to restore several old Bailey’s and Sargents and Stanley’s I found that
lately the prices on E-bay for vintage tools has been tarnished by extremely high shipping costs and the inevitible “padding” of the price by shady merchants. And to be quite honest, in my opinion, they were not made all that well in the first place. (Your milage may vary)

Right out of the box, these all performed much better than my expectations and required no adjustment of the plane bases and or blade fittings. The castings, seem of very high quality, and did not require any adjustment.

I sharpened the blade in the No.6 plane (18” long), and used it on several different species of wood and was impressed with how well it cut. I was curious to find out what improvement a high end blade would make with this plane so I ordered a new blade from Lee Valley made from A2 steel.
As you may know, A2 steel is much harder than 01 carbon steel and although more difficult to sharpen it keeps an edge longer. I have a Worksharp, sharpening system so I was not too concerned about the extra work in sharpening this type of blade. As shown in the picture the Lee Valley blade is considerably thicker than the original. Lee Valley claims this extra thickness helps prevent chatter from the blade.

Next I removed the blade and chip breaker and gently filed the frog so that it was continuous with the angle formed in the sole of the plane. It went fairly quickly, as there was negligible material that needed to be removed.

Next, I set out my sharpening station and set the blade angle to 25° using the wixey gauge to get an accurate angle.

The next shot shows the blade, as it comes off the Worksharp system.

I reassembled my plane and tested it out with a handy stick on the shooting board. The new blade got noticeably smoother than the original and the additional thickness narrowed the mouth of the plane leaving just enough room for those fine shavings to exit.

I’m very satisfied with this modification to the original plane and hope to modify the other two in the weeks to come. I will admit that the new blades actually cost more than the original plane. But all in all, it turns out to be very good value.

I am the first to admit that they are not the same quality as a Lee Valley or a Lie Neilson but they will certianly do until I win the next lotto.

-- A mind, like a home, is furnished by its owner



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Zipsss

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#1 posted 2373 days ago

I love my Wixey, and I use it for a lot of settings. Today I learn one more way to use it. Thanks.

-- Zipsss

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Scott Bryan

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#2 posted 2373 days ago

The more posts I see here the more inclined I am to work on my #5 and 8 planes. I inherited these from my father and they have sat in my shop for years hidden in the back of a cabinet. Your post certainly gave me some ideas on refurbishing the planes.

By the way I like the Wixey too but I still am uncomfortable about using it to set up my fences. I still rely on my engineering and combination squares. Too much old school in my I guess.

But thanks for the post. I really appreciate the effort you put into your planes.

-- Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes life meaningful- Joshua Marine

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mot

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#3 posted 2373 days ago

I have that #6 and like it quite a lot. I see it’s worthwhile throwing the LV blade in it, eh?

-- You can discover more about a person in an hour of play than in a year of conversation. (Plato)

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#4 posted 2373 days ago

Hey Mot, we talked about trying this a while back.
When I read more about plane irons on the hock site on remark kept diggin at me. In his ramblings on hand planes he mentioned that the “body of the plane” was only a holder for a decent blade.

Now that I’ve had a chance to test that theory I am in agreement with him.

Cheers
Bob

-- A mind, like a home, is furnished by its owner

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#5 posted 2373 days ago

Hi Bryan and welcome to the LJ.
I can appreciate your concern with switching from the tried and true to the wonderful world of digita lbut don’t be too apprehensive.
Best test you can use at you shop is to set with a Wixey or equivalent and measure with your traditional gauges.
i thin you will be pleased. My set up times have gone done ( thank goodness) ) with these little marvels.
I encourage you to take a closer look.

regards

Bob

-- A mind, like a home, is furnished by its owner

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gizmodyne

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#6 posted 2373 days ago

Great use for the angle meter!

-- -John "Do I have to keep typing a smiley? Just assume it's a joke." www.flickr.com/photos/gizmodyne

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Dorje

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#7 posted 2372 days ago

Nice swap Bob – and the series title, well…lots of “p” sounds – gotta love that! Fun.

-- Dorje (pronounced "door-jay"), Seattle, WA

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#8 posted 2372 days ago

great idea, Hmmmm.

-- Hope Never fails

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Douglas Bordner

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#9 posted 2372 days ago

Great to hear that the Awards are doing you justice, Bob. They look like Avant/Kamal planes, big Indian plane manufacturers that purchased the tooling from Record when they stopped offering planes.
Had to admit that I got a rise from the title as well. The image of you in “urban wear” with huge pants hanging down and a boom box riding your shoulder while pimping your planes was fun. Too bad there’s no soundtrack.

-- "Bordnerizing" perfectly good lumber for over a decade.

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matter

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#10 posted 2372 days ago

I agree whole heartedly. The blade makes the plane. I use old, beat up antique planes exclusively, mostly because I’m another impoverished woodworker. The A2 is the cat’s A**

I buy raw A2, rough shape it, and harden it with the BBQ. It takes 9-12 hours to heat treat, but I can make a blade for $4

-- The only easy wood project is a fire

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#11 posted 2372 days ago

Hey Doug !
I got m’plane upon the platter and I see its should be flatter, but it really dose’nt matter, cuz my lifie is in a tatter. It just plane!, Plane!, I need to try again!

Matter, I have done a few pieces using a furnace I commandered and got some decent lathe tools for my efforts. – Kind of fun too.

Bob

-- A mind, like a home, is furnished by its owner

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Dorje

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#12 posted 2371 days ago

Ah – the talk of heat treating reminds me…I was talking with a friend of mine who makes knives and thought I’d ask him a few questions about where to buy steel stock (for plane irons and what have you) and questions about heat treatment/hardening, etc. We got to talking…we’re gonna set up some time for him to teach me a bit about the knife making and metal working crafts…something I’ll probably try to blog…

Bob – keep up craftng them lyrics…you got mad skilz

-- Dorje (pronounced "door-jay"), Seattle, WA

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Gofor

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#13 posted 2370 days ago

You can also improve a plane by using a thicker cap iron. It will stiffen a thinner blade, which is easier to sharpen when you have to rework the bevel. I bought a Hock cap iron to stiffen up an old #5 that I converted to scrub plane use. Made a world of difference using a stock blade. Worth it if you have a few of the thinner blades around that are still usable. If making your own blades, Old 10 or 12” full kerf saw blades are also a source of raw material. Most have pretty good steel in them (altho it won’t hold up like A2!!) Good for making block plane or special profile blades tho. Save all those ashes from that Bar-b-q. Wood ash makes a good medium for cooling down a hard steel when annealing it to form it.

Go

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Bob #2

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#14 posted 2370 days ago

HI Go:
I haven’t tried a cap iron although it certianly makes sense now that you have explaned it.

Bob

-- A mind, like a home, is furnished by its owner

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dpt

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#15 posted 2362 days ago

I am looking at the Work Sharp system myself and am very interested in the tool rest shown in your picture with the Wixey. It doesn’t look like the one supplied with the WS system. Is it from another system or did you make it yourself?

D.

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