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bmwman91's 34-802 #1: Unisaw 34-802 Type 3 Cleanup, Alignment and Modding

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Blog entry by bmwman91 posted 09-28-2015 07:28 PM 3287 reads 2 times favorited 12 comments Add to Favorites Watch
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EDIT: It looks like wide images don’t fit well into the format here. Any tips on the recommended max image width to use and that sort of thing? 25% of the right side of most of my images seem to be chopped off, which I can fix by shrinking the images, but I feel like they would get pretty small in that case!

Hello everyone. This is my first time posting something on here, after many years of lurking silently and absorbing a ton of knowledge from the good people on here. I figured that I would share a little bit of what I have been up to with my first table saw since it has been fun to wrench on something besides old German vehicles.

I picked up a Delta Unisaw 34-802 Type 3 about 18 months ago from a guy on Craigslist. The deal also included a 1HP Delta dust collector, an Accu-Miter gage, a nice Dado set, various 10” junk blades and a tenoning jig. All in all, it was a decent way to get started. Prior to this, I had been using my father’s Powermatic contractor’s saw since he lives fairly close by. So, since I had a few speaker and furniture projects under my belt already, I wanted to get a proper cabinet saw for some of the projects that I had in my head.

The saw was in decent condition when I got it. The belts were not cracked, but had definitely been sitting still for quite some time. The set screw on the motor fan was also loose, which led to some rather noisy operation until I figured out what it was. Basically, the saw sat for a good 15 months because I was in the middle of a major garage renovation and had a lot of house projects to finish up before really playing in the garage (my wife and I purchased our first house a little while before I got the saw).

So, on to current progress and pictures of what all has been going on. The first order of business was to get rid of the surface rust that had formed on the table top. It was nothing serious, but it was ugly and made it a pain to move workpieces, which is a big safety issue. a 3M metal-specific abrasive pad and some PB Blaster made very short work of the rust. A few wipe-downs with some acetone got it squeaky clean, and then a good coat of SC Johnson paste wax went on top to keep things in good condition.

There was a little bit of rust on the trunnion controls as well, so I buffed and waxed those as well. Some crud had gotten up into the sleeves, and the wheels turned much more nicely after cleaning that out.

Next I took the cast iron top off to get a look at the trunnion. Things looked good overall, except for the pitch and saudust that had built up on the work screws and other moving pieces. A brass brush took most of it out pretty easily. The work gears and racks got a good coat of paste wax, which REALLY made a difference in the ease of operation. The semi-circle sliding joints which the trunnion tilt pivots on got some canned silicone grease sprayed in (it is in a solvent that helps it penetrate, and then evaporates). It is a real pleasure to operate the wheels now.

The cord that was on the saw was also a little old and the sheath was cracking, so I made a new one out of some 10-3 SJOOW cable and a NEMA L18-30P plug (which is what I have in the wall for my auxiliary 240V circuit). The rest of the wiring in the box looked fine though.

I had built a plywood box/manifold for the dust collector to attach to the saw, and while it worked reasonably well, I wanted to try to adjust the air flow into the cabinet a little since a lot of the big openings were not in places that seemed useful to me. The big offender (in my opinion) was the open bottom of the saw. Aside from leaving dust under itself after every use, having air flow up from the bottom just seemed like a waste. So, I popped the mobile base off and made a baffle from some 1/8” hardboard and foam weatherstripping.

The motor cover also had a number of gaps around it, so I used more foam weatherstripping to seal it a little better.

The final leak I wanted to deal with was between the table top and cabinet body. This was also a fairly easy fix, using some 2.5” square foam rectangles from the local “big orange” store. A little carving with the utility knife got things fitting well, and none of it sticks out when the table top is in place.

Now, the only air inlets are at the blade, and the 2 large slots where the tilt wheel is and in the rear where the trunnion bar sticks out. The open area of these is about 21 inches square, and I am using 5” dust collector hose (which has an area of 19.6 inches square), so this should be “just right” as far as air “sources” for the outlet. I have a 17” section of 5” hose that runs to the DC, which I operate in the back yard so that none of the dust that make sit through the canvas bags gets into the garage (there is a cat door in the back garage door that I route the hose through, and I crack the main door to provide make-up air). For the record, I LOVE this hose. It is polyurethane and the spiral ribs are on the outside, making the inside almost perfectly smooth. There is virtually zero static build-up. I got a 25ft length of it on Amazon (it is called Flex Tube PU or something to that effect…free Prime shipping haha!).

The next order of business was to reassemble the saw and get everything aligned. I picked up a couple of goodies on Amazon to make life easier.

Aligning the table top to the arbor. A few whacks with a rubber mallet was all it took. The flat plate which I mounted in the arbor was about 0.003” concave in the middle, so I just aligned to the front and rear.

Next I put the left extension back on. Wax had to be reapplied later on since my sweaty hands started causing light rust!

Next, I used a digital level to set the vertical and 45 deg tilt stops. Zero the level on the table top, and the rest is easy!

The next item was to get the Unifence parallel to the miter slots. Once again, I made the alignment to the front and rear since the middle of the fence seemed to be about 0.005” concave, and there were some blade marks from where the previous owner must have been using the dado set without a fence face.

I also squared the fence to the table top with the digital level.

About a week later, I decided to pick up a cast iron extension that could accommodate a router lift. This is the Bench Dog part which you can find on Amazon and at Rockler. It fit the Unisaw just fine and had a matching bolt pattern. Given the huge bending moment that this 60lb item places on the mounting points, I tossed the 3 mounting bolts that came with it and got some grade 8 bolts from the LHS.

Overall, the quality of the Bench Dog items is OK. The casting was not perfectly flat and was slightly convex (on the top). With the front and middle parallel to the Unisaw’s top, the rear was about 0.02” lower. I was able to VERY carefully bend this up into alignment with my high-lift floor jack, and then bolt it into place. Also note that the whole thing is coated with machine oil to prevent rust. It was a real pain to clean off, especially since basically all of the edges are finished sort of rough and have tiny burrs which eat up rags and paper towels. The castings on the Unisaw are finished a lot more nicely, but again, this is just a small gripe that does not really effect performance.

Beside that, there was a small pock-mark in the top surface of the casting. It is really just cosmetic, so I did not feel like dealing with trying to exchange it.

The threaded holes were also roughly finished, and a little chamfer would have been a nice detail (so I just added those myself later).

The fence that the router table extension comes with was also good, but it had a couple of small issues. For one, it was quite concave. This can be dealt with using some brass shims, but I am going to contact the manufacturer to see if they can swap it for a straight one (which may not be possible since large extrusions are often hard to keep straight, particularly after a large area is milled out).

It also had a small ding in it from the mostly-adequate packaging it came in.

Anyway, the next thing to do was to build the “improved” dust collector manifold. I had converted the DC to use a 5” flange (since I bought 5” hose in anticipation of a 3HP DC someday), so I wanted to make a manifold for the saw that would accept this without a 5-4” reducer, and that would have a connection for an over-arm collector (which I will document in here at some point!). I decided to make it a little over-complicated since I wanted to try doing compound angles.

Converting the 4” DC inlet to 5” was super easy. I do need to think of some sort of physical barrier to prevent large chunks from getting into the blower vanes though.

I am a big fan of glue-and-screws, so I dry-fitted all of the pieces to drill pilot holes.

I also had a chance to use my new router table extension when I put the 3/4” radius on the air inlet/outlet. The 3” ABS inlet is where the over-head dust collection will connect, and the 4” fitting is where the DC hose connects. The OD of a 4” straight coupling is almost exactly 5”, and using my father’s lathe I turned it down to 4.9” and knocked the rib out of the inside.

Gluing it up. Of course, I totally did not think about the best way to do the 45 degree joints, and I had to clamp things for a day while the glue dried to prevent the screws from pulling the pieces out of alignment. Oops!

Once the glue dried for a couple of days, I got out the quarter sheet vibratory sander and went to town making everything nice and smooth. All of the joints were plenty good to begin with, seeing as how this is going to live under the saw, but I wanted to make it pretty anyway. Once I did a couple of passes, I got out the “red” wood putty and filled everything I could find (I like to use an obvious color on parts that I plan to paint since it is much easier to see where I have used it…obviously not ideal for staining and finishing oils).

To finish, I gave it a couple of coats of gray primer and let it sit for 3 days. Then I gave it 2 coats of Rustoleum “Dark Machine Gray” high performance enamel. Once that dried for a couple of days, I added some weather stripping and installed it.



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ronniebo

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#1 posted 09-29-2015 12:58 AM

Great restoration mate,
I have also tidied up the air leaks around my tablesaw and finished up using plastic sheet fridge magnet material cut into pieces to cover the gaps around the blade tilt opening and a smaller opening at the rear of the cabinet where the splitter fitting is housed.
They are so easy to pop off or re-place after any blade adjustments and together with your of foam additions under the table are often overlooked by many of our colleagues.
Cheers
Ron in Hobart

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Mikesawdust

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#2 posted 09-29-2015 08:15 AM

This is a beauty, I hope Delta reads the review and takes your advice toward their future models. I just scanned the pictures before reading and assumed this was an amazing saw directly from the dealer. Awesome work and a great guide to anyone restoring equipment.

-- You never cut a piece to short, you are just prepping that piece for a future project

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JimDaddyO

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#3 posted 09-29-2015 10:29 AM

Beautiful job. A bit of work that you will find useful for a life time.

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bmwman91

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#4 posted 09-29-2015 05:42 PM

Thank you for the kind words everyone. This was a lot of fun, and I learned a LOT since this is my first tablesaw (or as I was once corrected by the electrical inspector, “it is not a tablesaw, it is a Unisaw.”). I believe that it was made in 1993, although I might be able to find out exactly if I email Delta with the serial number. As is the case with nice tools though, age really is not very important if things are cared for.

I purchased the saw from a gentleman on craigslist, who had obtained it from a friend of his. It sounded like his friend was a retired engineer that wanted to build his own kitchen cabinets, did so, and then let the saw sit for a very long time. As can be seen in the pictures, there was a lot of pitch buildup on the inside of the cabinet walls and on parts of the trunnion mechanism. Although I did not take a picture of the final result, I did spend a few hours in there with a brass brush and an old toothbrush getting it all out of things (and I am sure you know how much you feel like taking pictures after hours of hand-banging cleanup!).

For now I am thinking a bit about how I want to deal with the overhead dust collection above the blade. I made the inlet for that from 3” ABS, just to give myself some options. Basically, I have a 5” outlet and if I use a 3” pipe for the overhead, that is up to 36% of the air flow being diverted above the blade (ignoring losses from the ~15ft of 3” ABS pipe that is needed to loop around and above the right extension). As far as the visible dust goes, it looks like 95%+ is removed below the table top, so I am thinking that I don’t want to divert so much air above the blade. So, I can always use a reducer and run 2” ABS pipe which would then divert up to 16% of the air.

My main drive for the overhead collection, which I think will probably end up being somewhat of a nuisance while ripping, is to get the fine not-visible stuff from entering the airspace to begin with. I know that it is there because I can smell “wood” after a rip if I take my mask off, despite not seeing anything. While I can just keep the mask on, the dust will still settle and end up being inhaled by me or my wife when we are in the garage doing other things (laundry and lots of car-wrenching). That, and it would save me 5 minutes of vacuuming the area around the saw to get the visible stuff that was tossed out the top.

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Holbs

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#5 posted 10-02-2015 01:42 AM

me likey! feels so good to save & restore a quality machine.

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bmwman91

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#6 posted 11-09-2015 06:43 AM

I have finished up the overhead dust collection setup now. A little later this week I will have a chance to really test it out with some MDF, plywood and red oak. Initial results seem encouraging though.

The system is built from ABS DVW pipe and some shop-vac accessories. The pipes are glued together, but not glued to the suction box since I may want to take this sucker down from time to time. The flexible shop-vac hose part is also not glued since I will need to remove that from time to time.

Here’s what it was looking like part-way through the project.

Initially, I had a little more of the rigid pipe on there, and I did some test cuts with only a piece of 2” pipe hanging over the front of the blade. Even this made a big improvement in dust/chip collection, although a little bit of stuff still got tossed out.

So, I dug out the blade guard/splitter that came with the saw and started working it in to the system. It was missing the little bracket pieces that secure it to the rear trunnion bar, and it also did not fit properly with my throat plate (which seemed odd since it was an official Delta plate for this model of saw). Some hack sawing and filing had the splitter clearing the throat plate in no time, and a simple bracket was made from a piece of doug fir 2×4. The wood was treated with some Teak Oil finish. And the 2 screws make it easy to adjust the splitter’s rear alignment.

The splitter is a little bent from the previous owner, but I got it things aligned pretty well and it is able to serve its function while also not impeding workpiece movement too much. As everyone here knows, the guard/spliiter is a blessing and a curse. I have had a couple of pieces kick on me in the last year or so, and I think that it is worth having the splitter in there at this point, at least for the cuts that work with it. The metal is 0.080” thick, so this works fine with all of my blades.

Here’s how I used a shop-vac accessory to make a little manifold in the guard. All it took was some Dremel action and a file. Oh, and a little hot glue too…ugly, but it works to seal things up while still being removable.

The blade guard had an open front, which would allow high-speed chips to make it out, so I used some Lexan to close things up.

To get a nice tight fit in the 2” ABS, I used some duct tape on the shop vac hose that I chopped up. It is for a Craftsman vac, and the size on the box says that this is 1.875” hose. I wanted to use 2.5” hose, but that would have been too rigid I think, and probably would have pushed the guard all over the place.

I also made a small modification to the pivot bar so that the guard can be moved up and stay there if I need it to. The vac accessory and brackets make it front heavy (there is a little piece of blue tape at the back holding it to the spliiter). I am going to glue a small counterweight on back there so that it won’t tip forward when I put it up.

So, here’s the whole assembly now. I am excited to run some tests with this later this week!

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Bob Irwin

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#7 posted 11-03-2017 03:58 PM

Hello, I’m a newbie on this site, and really appreciate your restoration/documentation. I am also considering buying a 34-802. The saw is a right-tilt (which is not my preference). I am wondering if all 802’s are right hand tilts?

-- Bob in PNW

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TheFridge

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#8 posted 11-03-2017 04:23 PM

Yes. Just a wild guess but I’d bet the farm.

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Bob Irwin

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#9 posted 11-03-2017 04:37 PM

thanks, do you think that Bench Dog router table would also attach on the right side of the table? (and can the Delta extension wing be reversed to the left side?

-- Bob in PNW

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bmwman91

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#10 posted 11-03-2017 05:24 PM

As far as I can tell, the bolt spacing is the same on the left & right sides of the main top. So yes, you can reverse the position of things, but you might need to drill new holes in the long fence guide extrusion to get it to mount right. Also, you would need to replace the scale and flip it if you wanted it to be useful. The only potential issue I can see is that the motor cover might interfere with your router when mounted under the Bench DOG extension, so measure first!

Also, another lesson I learned was a hard one when it came to the DIY overhead dust sucker. Do NOT use metal brackets, or at least not steel, to secure the cover piece to the front of the blade guard. Sooner or later you will end up having the thing get pushed into the saw blade, and I wrecked a new 50T Marples blade that way. If I were to do it again, I would either heat-form an acrylic piece into a U-shape and bolt it in from the sides with Nylon fasteners, or skip the fancy cover entirely and just put masking tape over the front opening when in use. Another change I want to make is to add brushes along the bottom perimeter. This should help to eliminate the small amount of chips that still get tossed out when making certain types of cuts.

Since the original post:
- I have replaced the right side Formica extension table with a custom-built one with a partial torsion frame. The old original one was totally “potato chipped” and I did not like the cheap angle iron support system, so I custom built something a lot more substantial (will see about uploading the pics and details in here if I get a chance).

- I added an outlet box to the saw which provides 240V for the dust collector (which I rewired for 240V & gave a 15’ 10ga cord). It starts up much faster now. The 240V circuit in my garage was wired with 8ga which is fine for up to 40A, but I keep a 30A breaker on it, and it is still more than enough juice to run the saw and dust collector.

- I also made a jointing sled for 8 foot stock, using some scrap aluminum bars and a melamine shelf. It works fantastically and I should really try to get details up on here.

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Bob Irwin

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#11 posted 11-29-2017 08:40 PM

Wondering if you were able to find a manual for your 34-802 uni saw. I have been searching the internet with no luck so far. Any ideas?

-- Bob in PNW

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bmwman91

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#12 posted 11-30-2017 09:31 PM

Hi Bob,
I have not come across the owner’s manual for this exact model. Delta’s website does have a PSD manual listed under the 34-802 model number. It looks like it is for a different (newer?) model of the saw, but most of it applies pretty well to the 34-802. Assembly and alignment instructions seem like they are applicable, except for those related to the fence since the Unifence on the 34-802 is very different than what the manual shows.
http://www.deltamachineryparts.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/En422-04-651-0039.pdf

As far as replacement parts, I have had good experiences with RepairToolParts.com (I have no affiliation whatsoever). Apparently there are 4 versions of the saw, not two, and mine is a Type 3 if the diagrams showing the motor covers and such are correct. You can browse the models to see what you have.
https://www.repairtoolparts.com/searchwithfilter.aspx?searchby=t&key=34-802

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