Whoot. The plane arrived today. I unpacked it and started the inspection. I only found one surprise which is a good thing. Now all I need is for the IBC blade to arrive and I will be ready to “get er done”.
I picked up some brass sheet and rod yesterday, so I can also begin the process of creating a new lever to adjust the mouth. Thanks again Mads!!!!
So here are some photos.
Side view
Things to look out for in this photo. If you look at the depth adjustment knob, you can see that two much of it is exposed. This indicates the blade has been ground way down and this case needs to be replaced. The other thing you can see is that the front knob is missing the lever used to adjust the mouth of the plane and the knob is cracked.
Top View
In this view, you can see the cracked knob, the blade that is too short and missing adjustment lever. The depth adjustment of the plane and lever cap look real good. The rear tote is also solid and in good shape. There is some Jappanning loss but no real rust.
The Surprise
As you can see from this photo the back of the mouth is out of square and looks like it may have been filed at some point. This was something I did not pickup from the ebay photos when I was inspecting it for purchase. I’m pretty sure this will not affect the performance of the plane.
Close up of the cap and blade
Closeup of blade adjustment knob
Sliding part of the mouth
Mouth
Knob
You can see that I will need to use epoxy to fill the gap in the knob when I repair it. The break is not clean enough for glue alone.
Brass stock
Note the washer, that was under the frog. I am guessing it was an attempt to prevent the knob from breaking. When I got the brass stock, I also got a large brass washer to use in the interim. You can see it in some of the later photos.
Side by side with a Lie-Nielson #62
Note that the casting appears to be heavier on the LN plane, the blade is much more substantial, and there are two screws on the tote. Also it is clear that there is no way an LN adjuster could be used to replace the original one in the Stanley.
Blades
Note the differences in usable blade lenght and also the dreaded thickness difference. (reference to the thickness debate that was going on in the handplane threads for a while). The LN blade is much thicker than the original blade. The shortness is best seen by comparing the distance between the edge of the blade and the hole where the cap screw goes on the blade.
Blade Depth adjustment
In this photo you can see the differences in blade adjustment mechanics. LN has a single slot on the blade that mates with the knob. The Stanley has a mechanizm simiar to the ones used on block planes. A standard LN blade will not work as a replacement.
Front of the planes
Note how beefy the adjustment lever is on the LN plane.
From the Side
There you have it. The next step is for me to make the adjuster and repair the knob. Hopefully it will not take woodcraft too long to ship the blade.
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Don W
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#1 posted 712 days ago
nice comparison. It will be interesting to see how they compare in use. I do like the looks of the wood on the stanley better. (minus the crack of course)
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#2 posted 712 days ago
Hopefully the crack will dissappear on repair. I need to find some gnarly wood to test the planes side by side.
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#3 posted 712 days ago
Great Blog!! Interesting comparison, once the repair is complete will you be posting new photos.
Thanks for sharing
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bigike
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#4 posted 712 days ago
wowNow I see their the same exact plane interms of body shape anyway.
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WayneC
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#5 posted 712 days ago
Chuck, I will blog the process as I go. I’m planning to show the repairs as I make them and then the final results. It might be a bit before I do the performance compairason. (have a broken leg)
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#6 posted 712 days ago
Ike, yeah Lie-Nielson modeled their Low Angle Jack after the Stanley #62. The 62 is pretty hard to find in the wild. In most cases it is cheaper to buy a LN, Veritas, or new Stanley Sweetheart version.
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#7 posted 711 days ago
Wanye:
A nice comparson. Good luck on the restoration.
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mafe
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#8 posted 711 days ago
Congrat again, now it’s home.
Welcome in the 62 club.
Since the mouth have a back of the blade problem this should have no effect I agree (strange why it is so), and the front seems perfect, this would have been a problem.
When you fix the knob, buy some dye you can color the epoxy while wet with, in this way you can make a ‘invisible repair, I have done this with some knifes with good results.
I must say I like the Stanley sooooo much better, it is elegant and classy, the LN is a screamer with pling compared i think.
BEAUTIFUL.
Best thoughts,
Mads
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WayneC
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#9 posted 711 days ago
Thanks Karson.
Mads, I agree the mouth is strange. Woodcraft sells epoxy, wood filler and dye. I’m hoping to get there tomorrow. I agree the look of the plane is wonderful though the LN feels more substantial. It will be fun to run them over the same wood.
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mafe
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#10 posted 711 days ago
Yes it is going to be interesting to hear a test.
You might be the only guy on the planet that acually have both!
Best thoughts,
Mads
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WayneC
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#11 posted 711 days ago
Mads, I’m guessing there are quite a few folks running around with the LN, Veritas, Old and new Stanleys. I wonder if there will actually be much difference or if the test will really come down to the difference between LV vs IBC cutter.
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#12 posted 711 days ago
I’m really curious to see if that wonky mouth opening causes any chatter. On a bevel-down plane I wouldn’t expect any problems, but have no idea how a bevel-up will behave. Gonna be interesting.
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WayneC
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#13 posted 710 days ago
I was wondering the same thing. I am guessing the IBC blade will also be a factor. It will be thicker than the stock blade. I just got back from woodcraft. I picked up the epoxy and dye.
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#14 posted 709 days ago
Getting green over here. Nice score.
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#15 posted 709 days ago
Thanks sir.
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