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Ok. So my kids just got done with their final project proposal, and they won’t stop complaining about having to write in woodshop.
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#1 posted 01-30-2014 07:22 PM
At first I thought, wow, what a parent. Making your sons or daughters write you a proposal before you let them into the workshop is tough. It was only after reading your profile that I realized that you are a teacher.
Good for you making your kids write. I don’t have any solutions for you other than telling kids that in the real world you need to be able to clearly and effectively write.
Perhaps you should create a website with their proposals and share it with the wider world here at Lumberjocks. Tell them that the pros on Lumberjocks (Not me, by the way. I am no pro) are going to read and evaluate their proposals and if they cannot articulate their ideas to us they won’t be able to articulate their ideas to a future employer, customer, client, etc.
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#2 posted 01-30-2014 07:56 PM
Just a thought here, and by the way, I admire you for having the kids write up a proposal. The first part of Dec, my 16 yr old daughter came into the shop and talked to me about wanting to start The Old Rednek Workshop Company and leave her after school job. I was all for it. Not many 16 yr old girls want to start their own company, let alone a woodworking company. She has grown up in the shop around me working, so she had a pretty decent skill set to start, but quickly realized that she needed to improve on some things and learn alot more on others. A big part of this is the business and marketing side. She can write very well, and she has used her writing skills to write a number of proposals for projects as well as dealing with numerous stores that want to carry a line of her stuff that she makes. We have came up with a very unusual line of furniture, and put a pic of one piece on Facebook. Within 12 hours of the pic being up, it went viral with almost 200,00 views. She had NUMEROUS messages from folks wanting to order and almost 50 different stores wanting to do business with her. She has been writing numerous proposals to all of the prospective customer and stores and as she is a custom woodshop, she allows alot of customization to suit each customer or store. If the proposals are not written very well, she will loose business. I have found that teens LOVE money, and using real world situation could possible spark some of them to take it seriously and possible follow thru. I will PM you in a few. Hope this helps buddy
-- The Old Rednek Workshop https://www.facebook.com/theoldrednekworkshoptn
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#3 posted 01-30-2014 10:16 PM
Tooch, Back in the mid 80’s I had a small home repairs business. I had to write up a proposal for every job I landed to explain every little detail that pertained to the work that was to be preformed. When the client and I agreed to all the details written on the proposal we would both signed the proposed agreement. This is a great idea to teach your students how writing a proposal would help them later in life.
-- Tony C UAW, St Augustine FL, My high school shop teacher said "You can do it"... Now I can't stop!
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#4 posted 01-30-2014 10:31 PM
Suggestions to get them to stop complaining? Don’t have any, wouldn’t help anyway. Even if they see merit, kids in general do not like writing. Getting them to create and maintain a shop journal may be a way to get them to enjoy writing a bit more than otherwise, and that would in turn cut down on the griping. Short entries each day on what they’re working on… fun and interesting to review, too.
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#5 posted 01-31-2014 01:21 AM
Let them read Greg and Hoss’ comments. That should convince them of the importance of communication skills.
Hoss, Can I borrow your daughter to promote my woodworking? She sounds like a keeper! Congrats on a great job of parenting!
-- " I'll try to be nicer, if you'll try to be smarter" gfadvm
#6 posted 01-31-2014 01:38 AM
@Greg- Most of these 2nd level kids actually have profiles on LJs… check my buddy list, they will be the ones without profile pics. I have been trying to get them to see the pros of sharing ideas and projects with others, including the feeling of receiving compliments & criticism from someone other than me.
@Hoss- that’s awesome that your daughter has been making so much progress and $$$, congrats to you, sir! If you don’t mind, I’ll share that post with some of my students. Maybe it will help hit home to them that “YES- YOU CAN MAKE MONEY AND BE SUCCESSFUL WOODWORKING!!!”
@Tony – I think sometimes you don’t realize how important things are until you get burned on a few jobs and lose money. then it becomes apparent that you better CYA and write everything down
@Smitty – I wouldn’t want them to stop complaining- I love it when my kids complain! it makes me feel like I’m pushing them to go beyond their comfort level and do something new. Like I said above- most of my kids have LJs accounts, and most have smartphones that can access LJs… I just don’t think they’ve made the connection that they can blog on their way home from school (not while driving, of course), at work during downtime, or while they’re waiting for a table at a restaurant w/their family. hopefully… one day…
@gfadvm – I think I should get you and Monte to be the board of advisors that gets to approve/deny these proposals… what say you?
#7 posted 01-31-2014 02:35 AM
Tooch, You sound like a GREAT teacher. As far as me approving/denying these proposals, I am really not qualified. Can’t speak for Monte though.
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#8 posted 05-18-2015 10:59 PM
Let them complain, I make my students keep a journal of everything they do each day. I make it 30% of the final grade on their project. They have to sketch the project, keep track of materials used, any design changes need to be noted and pictures need to be taped in the journal.
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