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New Post on the Little Good Pieces Blog: Grooving Planes Part 1 - Un-Cupping the Skate

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Blog entry by TheGravedigger posted 05-12-2011 04:18 PM 946 reads 0 times favorited 18 comments Add to Favorites Watch

There’s a new post on the Little Good Pieces blog: Grooving Planes Part 1 – Un-Cupping the Skate. I start construction of a pair of grooving or drawer-bottom planes, and immediately have to deal with cupped wood. Check it out & see how I solved this problem:

http://littlegoodpieces.wordpress.com/2011/05/12/grooving-planes-part-1-un-cupping-the-skate/

-- Robert - Visit my woodworking blog: http://littlegoodpieces.wordpress.com



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Dennisgrosen

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#1 posted 05-12-2011 09:46 PM

what a bummer it was cupped
but I think you shuold have known that :-)
and so shuold I but I still don´t always remember to ordre wood minimum 2 mm thicker
or for thicker dimensions 1/8-1/4 inch thicker

and if you consider the veritas then try to take a look at the old record 043 plough
that is a fine little plough I just saw one at Mads´s home and its nearly only the half size of a stanley 50
I know they ain´t woodenplanes but they have a lot of options build in :-)

take care
Dennis

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#2 posted 05-12-2011 10:13 PM

Unfortunately, the next step up in thickness was 1/2” – a lot to plane away. However, this is working out very well so far. You actually want the skate to be slightly narrower than the iron below the body, and I believe it’s going to work out just about right.

The real beauty of making your own is that I’m going to have less than $60 in a pair of planes – not bad at all.

-- Robert - Visit my woodworking blog: http://littlegoodpieces.wordpress.com

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#3 posted 05-12-2011 10:17 PM

Dennis, I’ve had my eye on the R43 for quite a while now. My #50 doesn’t like the fence too far from the iron and I love the size of the Record. I’m with Gravedigger, though, I’d suffer a lot to make mine shopbuilt. I can’t wait to see this thing!

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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#4 posted 05-12-2011 10:22 PM

no not bad :-)
I just nearly sit here and wait for a an old Stanley 50 with all cutters
fence , deptstop and shavingdeflector intact and nearly in prestine condition 65£ + shipment
its a little too high but I havn´t time to surch for spareparts and when it comes to
metalplanes I have desided for now that I havn´t the time to deal with restoring too
so it has been bought at an antique tooldealer with a good reputation sofare
becpurse I don´t trust dealing with ebaysellers too risky for my wallet
and I neeeded the plough now :-)

Dennis

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#5 posted 05-12-2011 10:23 PM

This is a very timely post. I just downloaded the Fine Woodworking plans this morning to make these. I will have to do some catching up on your blog. I am curious, did you make your own blades?

Here is a photo of of one of my Record 043s Dennis mentioned in the event someone wants to see what they are like. It is with a block plane to show it’s relative size. I have another one that is built a little better and is in better shape. I also have some tool steel to make a set of shorter fence rods and some nice wood to add to the face of the fences.

Record 043 with LN LA block plane

-- We must guard our enthusiasm as we would our life - James Krenov

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#6 posted 05-12-2011 10:25 PM

niiice wayne :-)

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Bertha

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#7 posted 05-12-2011 10:36 PM

“One of his R43s!” You scoundrel, Wanye:) I’m sure the boring bronze LN is only there for size comparison. I’m sure a Record man can’t really bring a LN to the game. I jest, of course, and own LN myself, even the 141 skew. It’s a wonderful little plough (the 43) that I must have at some point. Dennis, I feel your pain on the #50 cutters. I’ve only got a few but I understand that modern remakes are available, albeit expensive. The #45 is clearly beefier, but seems to have better cutter availability. There’s always the Millers, Dennis:) Thank you for the photo, Wayne, it’s screensaver material:)

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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#8 posted 05-12-2011 10:40 PM

Don’t get him started, Bertha. Wayne’s the Yoda of hand plane gurus around here. There’s no telling WHAT he’ll pull out of those acres of storage cabinets of his. :-)

-- Robert - Visit my woodworking blog: http://littlegoodpieces.wordpress.com

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WayneC

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#9 posted 05-12-2011 10:42 PM

I am not an addict, I am a user…. I’m off to write that on a chalkboard 1000 times…

-- We must guard our enthusiasm as we would our life - James Krenov

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#10 posted 05-12-2011 10:43 PM

Wayne, I went with Lie-Nielsen’s 1/4” pair of blank tapered O1 molding plane irons. I’ll get to try my hand at hardening and tempering in the next day or two. I looked at Rob Cosman’s, but LN was half the price even if they are annealed. Besides, I like O1 for angles less than 30 degrees, doesn’t seem as “chippy”.

-- Robert - Visit my woodworking blog: http://littlegoodpieces.wordpress.com

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#11 posted 05-12-2011 10:52 PM

Wayne, I’ve got bronze Paul Hamlers that I use. Nothing’s for looking at in my shop. I’ll rejapan a #1. We owe it to these tools to use them. To GD, I’ve had my eye on Cosman’s irons and everything I’ve heard has been favorable. I’m not a LN proponent but they’ve got respectable tool steel. I’m a Stanley guy, though, so I don’t stray too far from 30 degrees:) I’m really pumped about this project.

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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#12 posted 05-12-2011 10:54 PM

Thanks, I was browsing the whats new section of the LN site this morning and that let me to the blades and then the article. I’ve been kicking around the idea of doing more with metal and trying to make some blades, not sure if I am ready to make that jump yet. The guy across the street has a shop full of metal working tools, might have to trade him some shop time.

On the 043s. I have two, the one in the photo above was the first one I got and then followed up with a second that appears to be a little bit better made and it had a full set of standard blades.

I also have and like the Record 044. It is another nice little groving plane.

-- We must guard our enthusiasm as we would our life - James Krenov

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#13 posted 05-12-2011 10:59 PM

One thing I like about the LN’s is the taper to the blade. It should help cut down on creep, which can be a problem with wedged irons. I’m planning on a 25 deg. primary bevel and 30 deg. secondary. I’ll keep you posted on how well they perform.

-- Robert - Visit my woodworking blog: http://littlegoodpieces.wordpress.com

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#14 posted 05-12-2011 11:10 PM

I like this one the record 405 multiplane …....but …but ….but way way way over my budget

http://www.oldtools.co.uk/tools/planes_scrapers/plough.planes/plough.planes.pl2283.php

Bertha Millers tools seems to be a little rare in this end of the world …... LOL

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#15 posted 05-12-2011 11:13 PM

lookind forward to see it and how it go´s

Dennis

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