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Blog entry by TJ65 posted 03-12-2011 07:01 AM 2063 reads 1 time favorited 31 comments Add to Favorites Watch

Well I thought I would share with you the outcome of the Dragonfly vase magazine article.
I initially made the vase because I was tired of making flat things just because you wanted to work with the scroll saw and I was sure that you could make other interesting things that didn’t necessarily have to be flat. So the dragonfly vase born.
I went about designing a patterns that would suit a vase and could be cut on the scroll saw and then went about figuring out a curve. While I was doing all this it came to mind that maybe other people would be interested in something like this too. So all the while I was thinking that if it all worked out I would ask the people involved in ‘Woodcarving Illustrated Scroll Saw Woodworking & Crafts’ if they would be interested in the idea.
I posted it first on LJs and then Scroll Saw Woodworking & Crafts website and got a great response and then asked the mag people if they were interested.

After waiting a few days I got my reply-
“Our article acquisitions team met today and would like to pursue the article in your dragonfly vase I just need your mailing address to get some paperwork out to you to start the process.”

Well … for some reason – other than I haven’t been very well for the past 4-6 weeks (so unwell I haven’t even ventured out into the shed!! So I must really be sick!) I wasn’t all that excited by the thick envelope that arrived a few days later.

However I was certainly shocked to read just what was expected of me and just how little reward I would be receiving after I do all this work. So after deliberating for a while and speaking to my husband’s publishing agent, I have decided that if I want to keep my standards high I will just have to set the bar height.

So I have decided against getting it published with this magazine.

Sometime in the future, I might consider doing bit of a blog here about it. As it is pretty easy once you know how.
So for all you who dream of someday having your 5 mins of fame and your name in print – just look & take everything into account before you act. – Sometimes it is just not worth it.

-- Theresa, https://sites.google.com/site/tmj65treasure/



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Dandog

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#1 posted 03-12-2011 07:30 AM

I think we should have our own magazine. Martin seems like a fair guy. I’m afraid to post some of my stuff just because I really don’t want to give it away for free. And $75 doesn’t seem fair. It least that’s what was offered to Mafe by one of the mags in one of his blogs.. If I got it rite ?it just doesn’t seem right . They sell tons of magazines between 6 and 10 bucks off the shelf.if you don’t mind me asking? How much did they offer you? I had an idea for scroll saw magazine myself it also wasn’t flat and very different from yours.

-- life an woodworking is one big experiment

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Joe Lyddon

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#2 posted 03-12-2011 07:36 AM

C O N G R A T U L A T I O N S !!

I just KNEW you would do it!

Good for you!

-- Have Fun! Joe Lyddon - Alta Loma, CA USA - Home: http://www.WoodworkStuff.net ... My Small Gallery: http://www.ncwoodworker.net/pp/showgallery.php?ppuser=1389&cat=500"

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superstretch

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#3 posted 03-12-2011 07:37 AM

Sounds very similar to what MaFe posted about earlier today.

Honestly, I don’t see the need for publishers to have to brand every bit of content they contract out for.. Stories/tips should be attributed to the creator, a copy in print in the magazine, and then a digital version online. Guest submissions, especially when solicited by the magazine themselves, should carry with it the same aspects of a guest-author or similar.

Granted, a good number of people can reverse engineer just about anything you post pictures of, but for a publisher to claim the rights and ownership of your work.. that’s ridiculous.

-- Dan, Rochester, NY

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patron

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#4 posted 03-12-2011 07:38 AM

well done theresa

seems to be a magazine nightmare
mads just did this blog too

http://lumberjocks.com/mafe/blog/21920

about the same thing

i was hired years ago to design and build
23 restaurant and bar units in the Miami international airport
after 3 months of intense design and presentation
to the worlds largest airport catering service
and the city fathers at Miami itself
my designs were approved
and hailed as the most innovative and beautiful presentation ever proposed
but the firm got stuck on their own finances for the modernization
of the kitchen and mechanical costs of the remodel
(not my part)
i was told to sign a release for said designs
and they to this day are secreted in a computer in Memphis
the sole property of said firm
never to be used (along with designs for the facility’s to the Houston airport)
i am not allowed to ever design anything using any design detail
or motifs in them under any conditions private or public
by threat of lawsuit
they will never be seen
even if i die famous
such is the way of the legal corporate world
best to forget that world
and enjoy the gifts God gives you
and share them freely with those that can appreciate them

if it was up to them
we wouldn’t even have the wheel !

-- david - only thru kindness can this world be whole . If we don't succeed we run the risk of failure. Dan Quayle

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#5 posted 03-12-2011 07:44 AM

This is why I haven’t posted any projects lately. Best of luck to you though.

-- Dan Wiggins

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TopamaxSurvivor

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#6 posted 03-12-2011 08:57 AM

Congrats on getting accepted Theresa. We still love you and your work even if it isn’t worth much to them. I have had things published in nationally circulated magazines. An article I wrote and a picture. The article was in an association journal and many members donate articles. The picture was stolen and ID’d the publisher are the photographer. I have always wondered why? I would have given it to them and they were developing my film going thorough my pictures when a roll was not returned. I might have chalked it up to an error if that wasn’t the only picture with a photographer credit cited in the whole magazine.

BTW, your link to the vase isn’t working.

-- "some old things are lovely, warm still with life ... of the forgotten men who made them." - D.H. Lawrence

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S4S

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#7 posted 03-12-2011 09:53 AM

Everybody Knows

The fight was fixed ,

The poor stay poor , the rich get rich .

That’s how it goes…....Everybody Knows….....

.....Leonard Cohen

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TJ65

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#8 posted 03-12-2011 09:58 AM

Thanks for that Bob, the link is now fixed.
I followed Mads dealings and when I recieved the contract I sent him a message.

As for what they wanted to pay me- yes it was only going to be $75 per page published. I had to take at least 12 photos then describe each one with 60 words each and send them the diagrams to make the vase. So in my thinking , to take quality photos, write so many words, give in a origional design and send in my photo and short bio I was really selling myself short. I was a little insulted by them offering me $75 per page, especially for so much time and effort involved.

If it was just going to be this easy basic item maybe but not something like this!

-- Theresa, https://sites.google.com/site/tmj65treasure/

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TopamaxSurvivor

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#9 posted 03-12-2011 10:17 AM

You might be better off going partners with Shelia taking a royalty for each pattern sold ;-)l

-- "some old things are lovely, warm still with life ... of the forgotten men who made them." - D.H. Lawrence

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S4S

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#10 posted 03-12-2011 10:30 AM

Everybody talking to their pockets ,

Everybody wants a Box of Chocolates ,

And a long stemmed Rose , ......Everybody Knows….......—Leonard Cohen

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Sheila Landry (scrollgirl)

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#11 posted 03-12-2011 01:04 PM

I read this today Theresa and just shook my head. I know what you are going through. I have spoken in my blog many times about things like that and I think it is a shame. One of the reasons that I began my blog was because right when I joined LJ’s here, someone who had seen one of my projects in the magazine had called me with a question and they couldn’t believe that I answered my own phone and it was really ME they were talking to. They thought because I was published regularly that I had a “staff”. I had to laugh and tell them that the kitties don’t have thumbs and can’t pick up the phone for me! :) It surprised me what people’s perception is sometimes.

You stick to your guns girl! I am very happy that you share your beautiful work for all of us to see. Your work is lovely and innovative and a treat for us all. You are a great inspiration Theresa. I know I speak for a lot of people when I say that.

I hope you are feeling better soon !

Sheila

-- Designer/Artist/Teacher. Owner of Sheila Landry Designs (http://www.sheilalandrydesigns.com) Scroll saw, wood working and painting patterns and surfaces. "Knowledge is Power"

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stefang

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#12 posted 03-12-2011 01:05 PM

I think your projects posted on LJ in an informal way are much more appreciated because of the opportunity to have direct dialog with your readers, sharing ideas and inspiration. I also believe your posts will be read by more woodworkers than if published in a woodworking magazine. Your reward will be the appreciation and admiration of your peers and you will have the opportunity of acquiring a host of new friends. Is there anything more valuable than that?

-- Mike, an American living in Norway.

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S4S

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#13 posted 03-12-2011 01:19 PM

Well spoken Stefang and Sheila

Best wishes T J

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Roger

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#14 posted 03-12-2011 01:46 PM

sorry to hear about all that TJ. Hope you get to feelin better, cuz, ya needs ta get out in that shed, and make some dust. You are a great artisan. I agree w/Sheila, and stefang

-- Roger from KY. Work/Play/Travel Safe. Kentuk55@bellsouth.net

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rivergirl

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#15 posted 03-12-2011 02:01 PM

Well, unless a gift was the original intent it’s almost always a bummer when give your work away. But it seems that most of us here on L/J do it at one time or another, whether it be design or the actual product. Even this “free” site is a way of giving away your knowledge, and Martin et al. literally profit from the sweat of woodworker’s brows. Most people here post pics of their work, some of which are uniquely designed. They also post detailed blogs telling people in cyberspace how to build a project. Figuratively speaking, the reader profits. However, I suppose it hurts more when the literal profits are made by those who control the dissemination of the knowledge whether it be a magazine or a website. I think most days woodworkers don’t dwell on this process of give and “take”, but it seems to be more egregious when a low ball dollar figure is waved in the face of the artisan. If you think about it, Martin literally sold ALL the information achived on this site, and he builds with code and not wood. ;)

-- Homer : "Oh, and how is education supposed to make me feel smarter? Besides, every time I learn something new, it pushes some old stuff out of my brain."

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