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Blog entry by StumpyNubs posted 844 days ago 1380 reads 0 times favorited 24 comments Add to Favorites Watch

I screwed up. Time for a public apology… here goes:

In Blue Collar Woodworking episode #13 I showed my special box joint jig. Toward the end, after I show my jig in action, including a joint that you actually see me making on the jig, I then show a photo of a pile of box joints.

Here’s the problem: I did not take that photo. I “borrowed” the photo from a Google database like many people do every day, but which is not the proper thing to do.

The purpose of the photo was to show what box joints looked like, not to illustrate any special form of the joint. In fact, as the photo is on the screen, I am saying how I think box joints look nice and I plan on using them more often. It is true that the use of the photo implies that those actual joints were made in my shop. But, even though my jig will indeed make those joints just as shown, the photo does not show joints I personally cut.

The owner of the photo, as I learned only yesterday, is a Lumberjock named AlaninlittleWash. He has also designed a box joint jig, which will be released later this year for sale under the Incra label. I did NOT know that the photo was his, that his jig even existed, or that he made those joints. I should have checked on the origin of the photo, but in my haste to meet the deadline for the show to air, I made a mistake.

It should be very clear that the photo does NOT imply that my jig will make some sort of special joint that it is incapable of. In fact, it will easily make the exact joints in the photo. I was simply trying to save a little time, and poor judgment led me to make that mistake. While I have a strict policy about what photos or music I use in the videos, I bent the rules and it rightly came back to bite me.

While some have tried to claim that I was trying to take credit for someone else’s joints, that is NOT true. The jig is fully capable of cutting any box joint, including those in the photo. The mistake I made was using a photo that did not belong to me. I had no right to use it, and for that I am making this public apology. It was a boneheaded mistake, and it wont happen again.

Below is the video in question. I have tried my best to block out the photo, which was fount at the 8:50 mark. Corrections have also been made to the video at Stumpynubs.com

As for the jig used to make the joints in the photo, I have not seen it. My understanding is that it uses a different concept than mine. While my jig is intended to be a do-it-yourself, money saving project, the jig in question will be offered commercially by Incra. I encourage everyone to check it out if they prefer to purchase tools rather than make them.

-- It's the best woodworking show since the invention of wood... New episodes at: http://www.stumpynubs.com



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Philip

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#1 posted 844 days ago

No problem stumps, happens to the best of us. I will have to watch my back when I post my blogs which will be full of stock images… Waiting for episode 14…

-- If you can dream it, I can do it!

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Dave

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#2 posted 844 days ago

I am sorry you have had so much trouble with this Stumpy. When I am making a video I try to spin name brands to where they can not be seen. I go to a site for audio that is not copy protected, and YouTube still says that there is a problem. Is anything free any more?
Lesson Learned.

-- Superdav "No matter where you go - there you are." http://chiselandforge.com

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David Craig

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#3 posted 844 days ago

Well written apology and explanation Stumpy. Asides from the lessons in stock photos it demonstrates that this site has grown so much that you probably can’t find a woodworking photo that doesn’t touch a Lumberjock directly or through affiliation. It will blow over and this is the type of lesson best learned early on rather than when you have your own cable show :)

David

-- There is little that is simple when it comes to making a simple box.

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StumpyNubs

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#4 posted 844 days ago

Never take photos off the internet. Who would have thought that out of all the photos of box joints out there, I would use the ONE that belonged to someone who made them with his own unique jig! Talk about bad luck!

But it was my own fault. I should have known better.

All of the music on my show is properly licensed. I rarely use photos, but when I do, I need to be more careful!

-- It's the best woodworking show since the invention of wood... New episodes at: http://www.stumpynubs.com

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Jimi_C

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#5 posted 844 days ago

You can use photos, just make sure you get permission or look for photos that have a more permissive license like Creative Commons. Most CC stuff is licensed such that you can use it for non-commercial use as long as you attribute it correctly.

-- The difference between being defeated and admitting defeat is what makes all the difference in the world - Upton Sinclair, "The Jungle"

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alfred222

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#6 posted 844 days ago

Well at least his jig is going to get a bit of free publicity. I dont know how you have time to make videos and jigs and still have time to make any thing else, but keep up the great work. Me Ive all ready got two Incra jigs
and now it seems I might soon have three.Thanks for the heads up. We all make mistakes but least we can burn the ones made in the workshop.

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StumpyNubs

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#7 posted 844 days ago

You should at least give mine a shot Alfred. After all, his is still unavailable at this time! And mine will cost you about $20 to build! :)

-- It's the best woodworking show since the invention of wood... New episodes at: http://www.stumpynubs.com

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geoscann

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#8 posted 844 days ago

Stumpy i,am going to be the devils advocate, and say at the risk of being chastised. people post and put all kinds of stuff out on the internet and should not be upset when people reprint it or use it. the reason for this site is to share ideas and help each others creativity. apparently someone was upset with you using the picture, i applaud you for your apology but my feeling is it was not warranted. you have a site that is very informational and there is no charge for it. the small amount you charge for your plans could not ever make you a living. but i enjoy your program and please dont be so hard on your self. I dont feel you done anything wrong and i support your work keep it up we enjoy it. thank you.

-- BIG geo ---Occam,s razor The simplist answer is often correct

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chrisstef

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#9 posted 844 days ago

youre a stand up guy stumpy.

-- "there aren’t many hand tools as awe-inspiring as the #8 jointer. I mean, it just reeks of cast iron heft and hubris" - Smitty

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StumpyNubs

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#10 posted 844 days ago

Geo- It’s about my credibility. If you don’t stand up and take responsibility, you risk losing it.

-- It's the best woodworking show since the invention of wood... New episodes at: http://www.stumpynubs.com

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Roger

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#11 posted 844 days ago

No problem with me personally, Stumps. It’s a damn shame that our society has gone to measures like this. It’s a bunch o bull in my opinion. The same goes with makin a video and HEAVEN FORBID if you use a song that ya luv. I’ll say it again, it’s a bunch o bull !! that’s my story n I’m stickin to it. This is a line in a song, so I’ll applogize for sayin it. but I don’t think I spelled it the same as they do…. LOL

-- Roger from KY. Work/Play/Travel Safe. Kentuk55@bellsouth.net

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DIYaholic

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#12 posted 844 days ago

Stumpy,
Live & learn. I don’t see it as a huge deal. Your mistake was/is an innocent one, with no malicious intent. No one was hurt physically or financially. So as they say, NO HARM, NO FOUL!!!

You now need to say 5 Hail Mary’s & perform one act of contrition. For the act of contrition, you could send one impoverished LJ member (me perhaps!) a free “Box Joint Jig” plan!!!! Just kidding, unless of course, you took me seriously.

No really, DON”T SWEAT THE SMALL STUFF, and it is all small stuff!!!!

Keep them shows & plans coming!!!!

-- Randy-- I may not be good...but I am slow! If good things come to those who wait.... Why is procratination a bad thing?

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geoscann

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#13 posted 844 days ago

Not to beat a dead horse, but i dont feel it affected your credibility. you built a boxjoint jig, something thats not new by any means. and all you did is show what kind of joint it makes.i did not see where you said i made this joint, no big deal. theres probably fifty different jigs out there that do the same thing. everybody has a different idea and i,am sure someone will make a jig like yours change a couple things and call it theirs.

Like i said you share ideas freely and i dont feel you have any credibility issues at all. like i said thank you for your show.

-- BIG geo ---Occam,s razor The simplist answer is often correct

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eddie

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#14 posted 844 days ago

Stumpy you still have credibility,its no big deal here least ways with me .anybody can tell that you have that.i had the same thing happen to me like you do in wood working i do in astronomy have or had thousands of dollars in equipment decided to sell them and did quite well on the sell but one telescope i sold was a refractor and it was due to give off color images if used for photo so i found one on the inter net to show how it appeared in photo’s.well i was contacted and had to repost it all i had even told it was not my photo didn’t make any difference i shouldn,t had done it .your ok and a stand up guy.its just nick picking to me.i notice that he has not shared anything with any body here on LJ. why is that.

-- Jesus Is Alright with me

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GrandpaLen

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#15 posted 844 days ago

In a Gentleman’s world a sincere apology equates to “no harm, no foul”.

I certainly hope that the originator of the photo is this type Gentleman, if he is an LJ chances are he is.

“We have two lives – the one we learn with and the life we live after that”. ~Bernard Malamud, The Natural

Notice the Byline Credit? I guess that is as important as putting the cap back on your CA glue.

Moving forward; If you keep producing videos, I’ll keep watchin’ and smiling. :-) – Len

-- Mother Nature should be proud of what you've done with her tree. - Len ...just north of a stone's throw from the oHIo, river that is, in So. Indiana.

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