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Ted's Woodworking fraud and Clickbank's compliance in theft and piracy

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Blog entry by Stevinmarin posted 04-07-2012 09:24 PM 7796 reads 0 times favorited 52 comments Add to Favorites Watch

I hope none of you mind me posting this on LJ. And I’m sorry that this topic and this series of videos has gotten so lengthy. For those of you who already subscribe to Mere Minutes, I promise I will get back to my usual stuff around the shop soon. Well, that and things like gardening tips that I certainly won’t post on LumberJocks!

For those of you who ARE concerned about woodworking piracy, here’s a link I mention in this video.

Basically, ClickBank.com bows down and sucks the toes of Ted’s Woodworking. He is the #1 seller in the DIY category of their web site. Think he’s making them some bucks? It’s all very dirty. But it’s also frustrating that one guy can make such profits off of the actual woodworking and plans provided by so many other companies and web sites.



-- Entertainment for mere mortal woodworkers. http://www.WoodworkingForMereMortals.com



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JJohnston

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#1 posted 04-07-2012 10:12 PM

Unfortunately, I think you’re tilting at windmills. Remember about a year ago, that guy selling scam car warranties finally got shut down? He’d been calling people, in violation of the Do-Not-Call list, for several years. He finally had the bad luck to robo-call Senator Schumer one day. Within about 3 days he got shut down. The FCC had the gall to crow – proudly – that they’d had thousands of complaints against him.

Thousands of complaints from nobodies vs. one from a member of the ruling class – you do the math.

-- "Sorry I'm late. Somebody tampered with my brakes." "You should have been early, then."

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Kjuly

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#2 posted 04-07-2012 10:37 PM

Hi Steve,
I sat through the whole video and I’am glad I did. I agree, the companies that have been ripped off should step up and help put a stop to this piracy.
StumbleUpon could help by removing Ted’s woodworking scams. Type in “woodworking” at StumbleUpon and every other “Stumble” is Ted’s or one of his affiliates.

Keith

-- Keith, Charlotte, MI www.julyswoodworks.com

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Dave

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#3 posted 04-07-2012 11:33 PM

Thanks Steve for an in depth lesson on this subject. How do we boycott this?
Kieth just flag the stumbles as inappropriate. If we all do that they will pull them.
I am going to tweet this, google + and facebook this link. Lets all pull together and spread the word.

-- Superdav "No matter where you go - there you are." http://chiselandforge.com

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Mike

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#4 posted 04-07-2012 11:56 PM

Steve,

here is what I found from going through the source code on his website.

“Ted” is using http://www.w3.org to create his main site.

it looks like he may be hosting his site from here: http://www.rackspace.com/cloud/

here is some info on the famed Bradly Lerwill (the testimonial guy). Goggle provided this info:

http://people.bakersfield.com/home/ViewPost/112832 (this is out of Bakersfield, California)

I then searched Bradly Lerwill and came across Kirsten Sunday Lerwill’s facebook page. Hey doesn’t that guy standing next to her look allot like Bradly Lerwill supposedly out of the UK just with facial hair? Her info says that she is out of CA too.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=834899551&ref=ffl

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Click Bank is owned by a company called Click Sales Inc. based out of this address. Yes there is actually an office building at that address and the phone number does go directly to Click Bank. I checked Google Maps:

917 Lusk St
Suite 200
Boise, ID 83706
208-345-4245

Here is some more information on Click Sales Inc. (aka Click Bank):

http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=51628248

Now here is what is interesting. Click Sales Inc is sub to a company called Keynetics Inc which is located at:

917 Lusk Street, Suite 300 Boise, ID 83706 USA 208-489-3300

When I called the phone number it offers to connect you to Click Bank. I wasn’t able to speak to anyone since it was Sunday. At least Keynetics Inc does show that it is linked to Click Bank.

Now if you read about the CEO Mr. Bradley J. Wiskirchen he also owns another company located out of the Suite 300 address called Kount Inc. which is a security company for credit cards.

http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=51752853

Notice that the phone numbers and address are the same as Kenetic Inc? Kenetic Inc has no web presence. It seems to be a shell of a shell company structure.

Ok back to “Ted’s” website and Click Banks website. I looked at the source code for Click Bank’s website. They are also using http://www.w3.org to create their website. It is unlikely that two different “Companies” would use the same exact design group. Well it goes a little farther. I decided to Google the CEO Bradley J. Wiskirchen and I came across a link about their email blasts from a company called smartbrief.com that is a service that Click Bank uses. Guess what! This company also uses http://www.w3.org to create their website.

Here is my conclusion and by no means am I saying that all these links of information proves anything. I would almost bet that “Ted’s” site is actually operated by Click Bank aka Keynetics Inc aka Kount Inc (maybe as well Smartbrief.com? – seems to be an entirely different company though). This would explain how “Ted’s” site is so highly rated on Click Bank’s website. Overall there is definitely something fishy going on here.

Hope this helps a little Steve. It only took an hour or so to find all this before I just got tired of the shell game lol.

-- look Ma! I still got all eleven of my fingers! - http://www.termitecrafts.com

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Stevinmarin

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#5 posted 04-08-2012 12:20 AM

Wow, Mike…thanks for your work. I’m going to look into all of this. Keynetics?

I really believe some lawyer could easily get to Ted’s bottom.

I am not through with this. I am going to try my best to put Ted down.

-- Entertainment for mere mortal woodworkers. http://www.WoodworkingForMereMortals.com

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Mike

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#6 posted 04-08-2012 12:23 AM

No worries Steve. I had fun doing it. Yeah I am a little sick like that ;)

-- look Ma! I still got all eleven of my fingers! - http://www.termitecrafts.com

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HalDougherty

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#7 posted 04-08-2012 12:26 AM

Go get ‘em Steve. If you save one novice woodworker from spending his money on this junk, you’ve done a good deed for the day.

-- Hal, Tennessee http://www.first285.com

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Blackie_

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#8 posted 04-08-2012 12:31 AM

I’m one of Ted’s victims only it’s been many… many months now so I’m doubtful if I’d get a refund if it’s not to late already?

Thanks Steve I was wondering about this.

-- Randy - If I'm not on LJ's then I'm making Saw Dust. Please feel free to visit my store location at http://www.facebook.com/randy.blackstock.custom.wood.designs

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Eric_S

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#9 posted 04-08-2012 12:31 AM

Mike, just a small correction to your research. This is meant to help so yours or Steve’s research doesn’t go looking down the wrong direction, like assuming two companies are related because of this w3 reference. You may be correct in that the companies are related, but it isn’t because of this. You guys have been doing a great job though with this research by the way, I just don’t want you to assume something that isn’t correct.

W3.org is not a design group. It is an html standard document reference for browsers to use and understand how to render the page. It is used across every website in the header of an html page, although you don’t have to declare it explicitly. There are a few different types of declarations of it that can be used in a webpage. Strict or transitional, and HTML 4.01 and XHTML 1.0 or XHTML 1.1.

-- - Eric Indianapolis, IN

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#10 posted 04-08-2012 12:33 AM

Eric’s cover is totally blown …. ;-)

-- -- Neil

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mikema

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#11 posted 04-08-2012 12:54 AM

Just to back-up Eric, yes, the w3.org you see in the source for the websites has nothing to do with who designed the page, but how the page needs to render the html. For example most of the sites I have done have a tag containing the following:

!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC ”-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN” “http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd”

and

html xmlns=”http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml”

I pulled these from my own blog site, which I built the template for.

In fact if you do a view source on lumberjocks.com you will see similar code.

-- Mike ---- Visit my woodworking blog: http://sawdustnewbie.com

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Mike

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#12 posted 04-08-2012 12:57 AM

Eric,

Good to know. I am by no means an expert on html at that level for sure. Thanks for pointing that out. Like GI Joe says “Knowing is half the battle!”

Mike

-- look Ma! I still got all eleven of my fingers! - http://www.termitecrafts.com

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Eric_S

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#13 posted 04-08-2012 01:22 AM

Anytime Mike. Most people probably wouldn’t notice. It’s my profession though so I thought I’d chime in. GI Joe is right.

-- - Eric Indianapolis, IN

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Dez

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#14 posted 04-08-2012 02:39 AM

Thanks for both the time spent researching and sharing the information AND the effort you’ve put in combating the enemy!
I too recently filed a couple of complaints with carriers of his “stuff”. I notice that eBay finally booted him!

-- Folly ever comes cloaked in opportunity!

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geoscann

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#15 posted 04-08-2012 03:01 AM

Steve i wonder how many hundreds of thousands of dollars these ligate wood working company’s have lost. Because people interested in starting out in wood working have lost interest and now believe all woodworking co. Are a rip off because of teds and other co. like them are ripping them off. I would think these mfg would try to shut them down asap I wonder if any of them work with click bank hum.

-- BIG geo ---Occam,s razor The simplist answer is often correct

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