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The Stanley #444 Dovetail Plane #3: A Critical Piece of the Puzzle is In Place!

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Blog entry by Smitty_Cabinetshop posted 09-23-2013 11:35 PM 1500 reads 0 times favorited 20 comments Add to Favorites Watch
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The Stanley #444 included a ‘blueprint’ inside the chestnut boxlid that detailed the anatomy of dovetail depth, neck and shoulder measurements based on common stock sizes. Versions I’d been able to track down were unreadable.

But thanks to the OldTools list and Matt Turner, I have a version of these drawings that was supposedly put inside the plane’s box in it’s later sales window. The outside of the three-fold:

And the inside:

This data lets me set these measurements and get (hopefully) repeatable results with less trial and error. The final installment of the #444 video series is, at long last, at hand….

EDIT: If you scroll back to the previous installments and get a goofy square in the place of pics, blame PhotoBucket. Stupid limit on bandwith has my pics here shut down ‘til the middle of October. Grrr…

-- Don't anthropomorphize your handplanes. They hate it when you do that. -- OldTools Archive



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theoldfart

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#1 posted 09-23-2013 11:40 PM

Just in time to inaugurate the new video functionality at LJ’s Tah Dah! Smitty, an outstanding series on a much lesser know, albeit expensive, piece of woodworking arcana. One of these days I WILL have one of them. and a 46. and a 55. and a …...

-- "Aged flatus, I heard that some one has already blown out your mortise." THE Surgeon ……………………………………. Kevin

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#2 posted 09-23-2013 11:43 PM

There’s new video functionality? I didn’t know, have to read up on that one! Thanks, Kevin. Maybe the next series will be on the #196 curved rabbet plane…
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Nah….

-- Don't anthropomorphize your handplanes. They hate it when you do that. -- OldTools Archive

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#3 posted 09-23-2013 11:49 PM

the biggest problem with the 444…...I don’t have one!!

-- Master hand plane hoarder. - http://timetestedtools.com

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#4 posted 09-23-2013 11:49 PM

You got one of dem?

-- "Aged flatus, I heard that some one has already blown out your mortise." THE Surgeon ……………………………………. Kevin

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#5 posted 09-23-2013 11:52 PM

Nope. Was asked once if I was interested though. Does that count? :-)

-- Don't anthropomorphize your handplanes. They hate it when you do that. -- OldTools Archive

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#6 posted 09-24-2013 12:03 AM

I officially need one of those!

-- Eric - "I'm getting proficient with these hand jobbers. - BigRedKnothead"

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#7 posted 09-24-2013 12:08 AM

Get one, then show us how it works! I’ve never aspired to make round / oval frames that needed rabbets, but I could be coerced…

-- Don't anthropomorphize your handplanes. They hate it when you do that. -- OldTools Archive

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#8 posted 09-24-2013 12:35 AM

Well, I was talking about the 444 but now that you mention it that other one would be fun too lol…. what’s the lottery up to this week?

-- Eric - "I'm getting proficient with these hand jobbers. - BigRedKnothead"

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#9 posted 09-24-2013 12:36 AM

Blood and Gore as this to say re: the #196:

”...[the #196 is] too valuable to use, but if you have more money than brains, and want to use this contraption, you’ll find it a funky beast”

Sounds like my kind of challenge. lol

-- Don't anthropomorphize your handplanes. They hate it when you do that. -- OldTools Archive

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#10 posted 09-24-2013 12:47 AM

Blood and Gore as this to say re: the #444:

“Hah! I defy you to use this plane without drawing puss or blood!”

Congrats, Smitty! :) What an awesome looking tool…

-- tr ...see one, do one, teach one...

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#11 posted 09-24-2013 01:00 AM

Terry, I’ve had it a while. Guess it speaks to how long the video has been in the offing that you guys didn’t know…

Here’s a link to the trailer video, in advance of the final video of the series…

-- Don't anthropomorphize your handplanes. They hate it when you do that. -- OldTools Archive

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#12 posted 09-24-2013 01:58 AM

Happy to hear that pieces are falling into place.

New video functionality?

-- ~Tony

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#13 posted 09-24-2013 02:02 AM

I was being a tad sarcastic on the video thing i guess.

-- "Aged flatus, I heard that some one has already blown out your mortise." THE Surgeon ……………………………………. Kevin

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#14 posted 09-24-2013 02:29 AM

LOL. I looked…

-- We must guard our enthusiasm as we would our life - James Krenov

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#15 posted 09-24-2013 08:38 AM

Looks like a great and rare plane Smitty. One thing I find interesting is the depth of the dovetails in your chart. I have an old book on routing which is made up of routing articles from FWW mag. In one of the articles there is a professional cabinet maker who uses sliding dovetails to join his cabinet panels together. He does this to eliminate the need for clamping. He makes his dovetails only 1/8” deep. He claims that this is more than strong enough and maybe even stronger than deep dovetails since it is so shallow and therefore doesn’t take much of the thickness of the panels thereby weakening them. He has been doing this for many years. I am thinking that the dovetail plane would be extremely useful to make shallow dovetails as the work would go very fast. He was probably using most ply panels, so I’m not sure if the same principles can be applied to solid woods. It would be interesting to test the difference of strength in solid woods with different depth dovetails.

-- Mike, an American living in Norway.

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