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Refurb, Antique Walnut Table #2: From the Bottom Up, Perhaps?

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Blog entry by Smitty_Cabinetshop posted 577 days ago 1224 reads 0 times favorited 24 comments Add to Favorites Watch
« Part 1: The Problem Part 2 of Refurb, Antique Walnut Table series Part 3: Pop the Top... »

A closer examination of the tables legs for this installment, specifically the wheels at the end of the legs. Truthfully, I didn’t even know it had wheels on sale day.

There were two wheels not swiveling or rolling, so upside down on the bench it went, for a closer look.

Green decay, lots of built up crud. Yuck.

I sprayed it with WD40 and the next day pulled the two wheels around successfully. Ah, movement!

So the wheels are all present, all metal, and will definitely remain. Looks like there were three steel, slotted screws holding each leg ‘thimble and wheel’ in place. These screws are corroded on each leg, so removing the leg ends for really cleaning / restore is an issue to consider later, is some way. In the meantime, they seem to be high-end and are pretty good looking!

If I’m going to remove the leaves to better work on the table’s cracked top, they have to be loosened up. A few drops of penetrating oil might do it (‘cause they don’t turn at all right now), we’ll see. Each hinge has a good build-up of surface rust.

More to come, thanks for looking!

-- Don't anthropomorphize your handplanes. They hate it when you do that. -- OldTools Archive



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Dave

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#1 posted 577 days ago

I am hanging at the edge of my seat.

-- Superdav "No matter where you go - there you are." http://chiselandforge.com

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AnthonyReed

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#2 posted 577 days ago

The “thimble” is brass? If so, 3in1 oil lightly rubbed with 0000 steel wool will clean it up some without making it too shiny.

-- ~Tony

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lysdexic

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#3 posted 577 days ago

Geez Smitty – you still have spiders on the dang thing! Are they staying too?

I’ll ask you an easy question: So how do you go about cleaning the wooden aspect on the table? Damp rag? Brush it off then wax? Or do you have a special treatment that you like to use to clean and rejuvenate the finish?

-- It isn't the mountains ahead to climb that wear you out; it's the pebble in your shoe. - Muhammad Ali

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Smitty_Cabinetshop

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#4 posted 577 days ago

Tony, I don’t think it’s pure brass. Bronze-ish? (I can tell what it’s not, but what it is ain’t exactly clear…) I’ve done some green pad, will try steel wool before all is done, too.

Spiders going, I guess. I’m up for authentic, but that’s a little extreme. Even for me.

Lysdexic, I don’t know the answer to your easy question. The top took on a couple deep scratches on sale day, so I’ve thought about scraping the whole top. Would be the perfect job for a #112, but I ain’t got one. So I’ll experiment with the #80 or #83. Wished I had a #85… Even free handed scraping. Again, tbd. And how deep I have to go dictates the rejuvenation method (not that I know alot of them). Might have to call on the Bhog for some dye expertise, who knows.

-- Don't anthropomorphize your handplanes. They hate it when you do that. -- OldTools Archive

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Smitty_Cabinetshop

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#5 posted 577 days ago

^ Also hoping some real furniture restoration types might chime in. We’re good, but there are many that are better. I could use someone that has experience with this sort of thing (restoration) add what they know to this series.

-- Don't anthropomorphize your handplanes. They hate it when you do that. -- OldTools Archive

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#6 posted 577 days ago

Happy new year to everybody.

On the sixth picture of the previous installment, is it a kind of pocket hole that we can see in the rail?

I am sure this serie will be as interesting as all you previous series.

-- Sylvain, Brussels, Belgium, Europe - The more I learn, the more there is to learn

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#7 posted 577 days ago

Smitty, I would think I fine brass brush would do wonders for the wheels.

What’s the plan for the table when your done?

-- Master hand plane hoarder. - http://timetestedtools.com

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Smitty_Cabinetshop

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#8 posted 577 days ago

Sylvain – Here’s another (same?) pic showing the pair of pocket screws found on either side apron, holding the top to the table’s base.

Then there’s one on either end. So six screws total, lots of glue blocks. Although some of those have clearly failed already, so should be easy to remove. I’m thinking some will go, maybe limited to the busted side vs. removing the entire top.

-- Don't anthropomorphize your handplanes. They hate it when you do that. -- OldTools Archive

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#9 posted 577 days ago

Smitty test it for shellac. Use some alcohol on the bottom side, rub out a little spot and see if it breaks down. If it shellac you have it made. You can repair and match color then refinish.

-- Superdav "No matter where you go - there you are." http://chiselandforge.com

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Smitty_Cabinetshop

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#10 posted 577 days ago

Super – How does shellac work? Is it the finish that dissolves prior coats with new, or ??

-- Don't anthropomorphize your handplanes. They hate it when you do that. -- OldTools Archive

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Sylvain

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#11 posted 577 days ago

pocket holes + glue blocks

It is like wearing a belt + braces to sustain pants.

If the blocks are glued wih hide glue you might unglue them without damage.
Although I have no personnal experience in this.

Shipwright, in his serie “hide glue for beginners”, speaks about applying a “very hot wet rag”.

http://lumberjocks.com/shipwright/blog/31406

-- Sylvain, Brussels, Belgium, Europe - The more I learn, the more there is to learn

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ShaneA

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#12 posted 577 days ago

I just dont know why the wheels would not roll in the found condition?

I am digging the kerf marks on the hinge mortise. I saw Ol’ Roy do the same thing with a hand saw, and left the same marks. I am guessing this was not “made in China”?

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Dave

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#13 posted 577 days ago

Smitty it is natural and alcohol will dissolve the prior coat. That why french polish works so well. It is one of the easiest finishes to repair because you can blend it back to itself.
You can use anilin dye to mix in the shellac and get to the color of the project. You can use the bottom of the top for testing.
Shellac will stick to anything and most all finishes will stick to shellac.

-- Superdav "No matter where you go - there you are." http://chiselandforge.com

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Smitty_Cabinetshop

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#14 posted 577 days ago

Shane – Way too much crud in a couple of them. The sale was the contents of a local antique ‘store’ that had holes in the roof and an old barn in the back, filled with stuff exposed to the elements. This table was somewhere in that setup. Not saying it was in the barn, sitting on dirt, but it was not a ‘kept’ item. Hence the condition of the wheels.

The long mortise hinge cuts, yes, I love them. Not the first table I’ve seen with that ‘shortcut,’ either. Used the trick, too. It rocks. And if you like those marks, Shane, you’ll like this closeup of a hinge.

Super, that is incredible info. I’m such a finishing nube it’s not funny. Thanks, I’m on it!

-- Don't anthropomorphize your handplanes. They hate it when you do that. -- OldTools Archive

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bhog

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#15 posted 577 days ago

Neat stuff Smitty.Hopefully its shellac.

-- I don't drive a Prius.

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