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Blog entry by Chris Campbell posted 808 days ago 4162 reads 0 times favorited 20 comments Add to Favorites Watch

turned this:

into this:

a close-up of the damage:

So, I really like using the iron hold-down clamps that go into dog holes on my workbench. I almost always tap them in a few times to get a good hold.

This time, however, I got lazy. I was holding down a piece of wood on the workbench to cut, and put this in the dog hole. I decided to, instead of my usual practice, just give it one good solid smack to set it.

It quietly and neatly snapped right in two!

Is this something other people have experienced? I am using the Rockler brand hold-down clamps. I do like using them, and would like to continue (which I will, for a while anyway – I have one more).

Are there other brands that might not have this problem? I certainly plan on not hitting them that hard in the future, but it seems like that’s kind of what they were designed to do, and I would hate to have to buy news every couple of months just because they tend to snap.

If that is the case, I will use something else, but, like I said, I really do like using them.

Insights and advice are always appreciated.

-- Chris, Minneapolis



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racerglen

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#1 posted 808 days ago

HHmm, looks like cast iron. I thought bench hold downs were made from rod ?
seems Rockler has a different aproach. I think you’ll find others, likely more expensive, are made from
tougher material.

-- Glen, Vernon B.C. Canada

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Jimi_C

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#2 posted 808 days ago

Yes, it’s an extremely common issue and has been for a while.

I have not used them myself (still need to build a real bench) but I did read Scharwz’s book and have read up on the subject elsewhere. Gramercy's tools (not the only place you can buy them) have a good rep, so you might want to try those.

-- The difference between being defeated and admitting defeat is what makes all the difference in the world - Upton Sinclair, "The Jungle"

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RGtools

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#3 posted 808 days ago

I second the Grammercy option as a good replacement choice…I have two and I beat the snot out of them, no problems yet.

-- Make furniture that lasts as long as the tree - Ryan

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Roger Clark aka Rex

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#4 posted 808 days ago

Cast iron is not as good material to use for this type of application because it is too brittle to survive heavy pounding. A better choice is forged steel, which I believe the Gramarcy ones are.

-- Roger-R, Republic of Texas. "Always look on the Bright Side of Life" - An eyeball to eyeball confrontation with a blind person is as complete waste of Time.

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rustfever

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#5 posted 808 days ago

Just checked on the rockler site. Price of their cast iron HD is $12.79. The reach is 4.5”

When I went to Gramercy site. Their forgesdHD is $17.95 and has a 7.5” reach.

HMMMMmmmmmm.
Rockler’s product is deffinetly much higher in real cost than the Gramery’s higher priced item.

-- Rustfever, Central California

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Smitty_Cabinetshop

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#6 posted 808 days ago

I have used (and severely beat up on) a pair of Jorgensen hold downs for almost three years without issue, FWIW…

-- Don't anthropomorphize your handplanes. They hate it when you do that. -- OldTools Archive

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dbhost

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#7 posted 808 days ago

I have written reviews on these holdfasts in several places, they are complete and utter junk…

I want a few of thsoe Grammercy holdfasts instead… Rockler should be embarassed to offer such a poor product.

-- My workshop blog can be found at http://daves-workshop.blogspot.com

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NBeener

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#8 posted 808 days ago

You are a large, powerful, formidable man, and I want you nowhere near my hand tools ;-)

-- -- Neil

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David Kirtley

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#9 posted 808 days ago

The cast ones may last forever. They also might break with the first whack (or any thereafter). Cast iron is brittle.

I have some cast ones and some of the Grammercy holdfasts. I prefer the ones from Grammercy but I have never broken one of the cast ones. I think I paid $5 or so for the cast ones.

-- Woodworking shouldn't cost a fortune: http://lowbudgetwoodworker.blogspot.com/

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Mauricio

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#10 posted 808 days ago

Cast iron is the wrong thing to make holdfasts out of, it isnt springy. Check out the Gramercy ones from Tools for working wood. Cheap and good.

-- Mauricio - Woodstock, GA - "Confusion is the Womb of Learning, with utter conviction being it's Tomb" Prof. T.O. Nitsch

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crank49

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#11 posted 808 days ago

Woodcraft sells the same cast junk as well. I have a couple.

Next ones will either be a brand name with a warranty or forged steel.

For what it’s worth, temperature can have a very profound effect on the breaking strength of cast iron.
Was it cold in your shop when that one broke?

-- Michael :-{| “If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.” ― A H

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Rick Dennington

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#12 posted 808 days ago

That don’t even look like cast iron to me…..more like pot metal, which is about the sorriest metal there is…
But what do you expect from products that are made in China….they use a lot of pot metal in the junk they make…..I had 2 Grizzly machines that were made out of pot metal, and they both broke parts made out of this crap…..that’s one reason I don’t buy anything from Grizzly….it leaves a bad taste in your piehole…..

-- " I started with nothing, and I've still got most of it left".......

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Brandon

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#13 posted 808 days ago

Another vote for the Gramercy holdfasts. For the price they can’t be beat!

-- "hold fast to that which is good"

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RGtools

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#14 posted 808 days ago

^Brandon…I belive the reoccurring theme here is that they can be beat….a lot.

-- Make furniture that lasts as long as the tree - Ryan

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David Craig

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#15 posted 808 days ago

Gramercy holdfasts are a different approach. I bought two and love them. They are neither forged nor cast. They wanted to mass produce but cast holdfasts are a poor approach because casting is not meant for products that are stressed in this manner. Holdfasts are supposed to be designed to flex. So instead of casting, they formed wire, (think wire used on extension bridges). They are solid, but they can take the stress of flexing to the mallet. They won’t break, they work well, and they are fairly inexpensive. There is a shipping fee so I would buy two at minimum to distribute the cost.

-- There is little that is simple when it comes to making a simple box.

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