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Random Musings #4: Why Eyore?

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Blog entry by SSMDad posted 08-18-2011 02:57 PM 5357 reads 0 times favorited 14 comments Add to Favorites Watch
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Good morning everyone. Another boring day at work stuck in front of a computer screen, unlocking user accounts, and refilling printers.

I thought I’d address something that happened yesterday (on my bday no less) regarding a project posting of a router table I made. (and a few other remarks here and there) Having finally finished this thing and knowing it wouldn’t win any contests, I posted the project and pictures anyway. I guess in the back of my mind I was a bit proud to have made it and thought it might help germinate ideas for others who were trying to get up and running “on the cheap.” Not all of us have the resources to buy the best materials to build with or purchase an expensive manufactured router table. Considering I didn’t have any drawn-out plans, just an idea in my head that kept evolving with every mistake I made, it seemed to turn out ok and I was happy with it.

Happy with it until a certain comment was made from an unnamed person (though you can see who by looking at the project page). In the rough and tough world of online communities and woodworking in particular, it seems to behove one to have a pretty thick skin. Unfortunately (I suppose) for me I don’t have this kind of trait. I guess that means I shouldn’t post anything because of potential negative reaction which I’ve now learned. You see though, I’ve dealt with depression for going on 30 years now and low self-esteem for even longer (since I was 6-7 I guess) so for me to open up at all is a major step. Anway, two comments were made that bothered me, the first one I didn’t really get, but the second one is that which I referred to at the beginning of this paragraph. After reading this and basically feeling like s* because of it, I replaced the project pics with my good old mate, Eyore under a rain cloud because that’s exactly how I felt. After a few kind comments (and the poster changing his to what we’d use as a substitution for curse words), I did again post the pics. (let me add though that I do appreciate ALL the early comments received and when I looked at the pic again it did seem like the top was bowed so I’m not referring to you guys here).

In a roundabout way I suppose my point here is to question why and how someone could and would make demeaning, degrading, and rude comments on someone’s project. Does it make the poster feel superior? Is it to cover up for their lack of ability to come up with something (even if ugly) just from their head? Is it to get a better feeling about yourself by intentionally putting down what someone has done and ventured to show to the world? Is it a gender thing? (wondering if I’d posted this as a female if the responses would have been different..I’m guessing they would have been) I don’t know which if any of these is the case (and maybe all) but it seems to me to be a waste of time and energy.

Perhaps my view is the blessing of having depression and working through it. I feel I have some degree of empathy towards other’s feelings, even if just online. We’re all trying to do what we enjoy and be happy. Why try to ruin someone’s joy? Personally if I didn’t like something I’d at least have the class to NOT comment on it at all. Comparing the number of views to the number of comments on my project, I see many of you do have this much at least.

Anyhoo, if you’ve read this far I appreciate it and sorry for my diatribe. If you saw it and thought I was a fruitcake and left then that’s you’re issue. I just wanted to put it out there for people to consider when making posts. At this point I’m hesitant of doing any more project posts and most likely won’t. I’ll just enjoy seeing what the rest of you make and enjoying the creativity involved in manifesting it.

Thanks for reading and have a good Thursday…Be nice to each other. It will always come back around to kiss you or bite you in the a55.

-- Chris ~~Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past."



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Bertha

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#1 posted 08-18-2011 03:14 PM

I’ve never quite understood the impulse to post anything other than a supportive comment. If I don’t like something, I move on; what’s the point? The battles I’ve been involved in here at LJ always stem from someone insulting someone else for one reason or another. I’m no white knight but I can’t stand bullies and know-it-alls. For every 1 person who doesn’t like your project, there will be 99 that do; many just won’t say so. Everyone’s a rich, smart model on the internet. Don’t let a few comments discourage you from sharing your work. I like seeing it and I’m not the only one.

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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SSMDad

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#2 posted 08-18-2011 03:18 PM

Thanks Al. That means a lot.

-- Chris ~~Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past."

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racerglen

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#3 posted 08-18-2011 03:20 PM

Chris, Al hit the nail on the head. Stay with us !

-- Glen, Vernon B.C. Canada

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AkBob

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#4 posted 08-18-2011 07:47 PM

Don’t let one person bother ya, this has got to be the friendliest board out there. Heck, they put up w/ me and my idiotic shenanigans all the time :) (specially Bertha) You got a friend here anyways,

Robert

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Bertha

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#5 posted 08-18-2011 07:51 PM

Yeah, we even put up with AkBob and he doesn’t even know better than to avoid ice caves on drifting icebergs! You don’t need any more proof than that! ;)

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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AkBob

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#6 posted 08-18-2011 07:55 PM

lol, see SSMDad, you gotta watch out for them, that, there educated types ;)

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Tim Kindrick

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#7 posted 08-19-2011 12:02 AM

Hey Chris, I’m really sorry if I offended you!!!! Like I said in the comment, I wasn’t sure if it was the angle of the photo or what. I also said that I made a router table just like this one with 1/2” MDF a couple of years ago and it ended up sagging because I left my router in the table too long so I didn’t want you to make that same mistake. There isn’t anything wrong with your router table. If it’s flat and it serves a purpose then it doesn’t have to look like Norm Abrams made it. Your fence is actaully a hundred times better than the first router fence I ever made!!!

I hope you keep posting your future projects because I enjoy viewing your work. I added you to my buddies list for that very reason. I wanted to be notified whenever you posted new projects. Again, SORRY if I was too critical but I was really just trying to be helpfull!!!!!

-- I have metal in my neck but wood in my blood!!

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SSMDad

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#8 posted 08-19-2011 12:24 AM

Tim it totally wasn’t what you said. I really did appreciate your comment. It was what Dusty said that bothered me and on a different day it may not have but as I said I’m wary of putting anything I do where others can see it (bad history) so when I do and someone says they “Fear” for me and others it cut right through.

Sorry if you thought I meant you my friend.

-- Chris ~~Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past."

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SSMDad

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#9 posted 08-19-2011 12:28 AM

Barry, it wasn’t Tim. Just what Dusty said bothered me (and I allowed it to). You’re very right though, we lose all intonation and visual cues when communicating like this so it’s easy to misinterpret others. I was probably in the wrong state of mind to read it.

-- Chris ~~Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past."

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Tim Kindrick

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#10 posted 08-19-2011 12:33 AM

Ok Cool, I’m relieved to hear that!!!! You should know that you’re not alone. I also suffer with depression and self esteem issues. I look forward to seeing your next project soon!!!

-- I have metal in my neck but wood in my blood!!

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gfadvm

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#11 posted 08-19-2011 04:23 AM

I too made a router table without a router plate or store bought lift which has served me well for two years so far. I didnt post it as I cant stand to be ridiculed either and we do have a few “tool snobs” out there. Keep on posting and show others that you can create great projects using el cheapo shop made stuff. For me that is the fun and challenge of woodworking! My router table is 4 feet long and I put a plywood upright under the top on either side of the router and have had no sagging with the router in place for 2 years. Keep at it. Us economy minded types need to stick together! You may have motivated me to post mine.

-- " I'll try to be nicer, if you'll try to be smarter" gfadvm

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David Kirtley

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#12 posted 08-19-2011 05:32 AM

I didn’t read the item (and not going to look for it).

Getting out in the open when something hits you wrong is a lot better than starting a flame war. Whether being mean, condescending, or just an ill advised attempt at humor is relative. I temper what I say here as my own personal humor tends to be a bit, shall we say, low brow. There are many projects that I like, there are many that, as my great-grandmother would say “I wouldn’t have that up my %$ if I had room for a boxcar.” We all have different tastes and skill levels. Personally some of my stuff I am proud of, some I chop up really well so the garbage man doesn’t get the wrong impression.

Only looking at the “polished and professional” projects sucks. I get more inspiration and excitement seeing the new and almost. I actually have a lot more failures than I have good projects. I am always trying something new and it doesn’t always work. I was in the garage working last night and the pieces are going to be in the garbage bin on trash day. I have some plastisizer coming UPS tomorrow where I am going to see about casting some stuff with concrete. (A concrete base for a CNC router table) It is quite likely that it will be a failure. So what? I have next to me on the table here, a partially completed marking knife that was my first attempt at turning tool steel freehand on the lathe. It looks pretty crappy in some ways, some parts I am really happy with. The only reason I didn’t post it was that it was a metal working project. Once I get a new bottle of gas, I will heat treat it.

I really feel sorry for the people that don’t have the guts to post the projects that didn’t come out perfect.

-- Woodworking shouldn't cost a fortune: http://lowbudgetwoodworker.blogspot.com/

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AkBob

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#13 posted 08-19-2011 05:58 AM

Well put David.

Failure is a fine art that I have personally perfected :) My box of re-cuts always out-ways my finished project. It’s how I learned, or didn’t.

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Roger Clark aka Rex

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#14 posted 08-19-2011 02:38 PM

SSMDad:
I agree with Al and David.
Everyone who posts a project does so because they are proud of the effort they made – and rightly so. A positive response for the interest and effort made is warranted and nobody here should be so aloof an inconsiderate to “scoff” and criticize a well meant post.
A broad spectrum of talents exist at LJs and nobody, but nobody made everything perfect from day 1, we simply build on our experiences.
Of course the project posted may not be to your taste or particular interest, but the fact remains a person spent their time and effort to “have a go” and is proud to show the project, however “wonderful” it is. Respect the posting for what it is, a well meant effort. Comments like “you should have done this and that” only hurt, but if you respond with “Could I offer this suggestion” is more appropriate and received as helpful comment. Most posters would welcome suggestions that might improve the item or suggest a different method.
Looking through LJ posts I see many items that are not in my personal interest, but I respect the effort and have no negative comments to add, merely a Thank You for sharing.

-- Roger-R, Republic of Texas. "Always look on the Bright Side of Life" - An eyeball to eyeball confrontation with a blind person is as complete waste of Time.

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