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Blog entry by SFDCapt posted 07-14-2014 09:10 PM 1299 reads 0 times favorited 10 comments Add to Favorites Watch
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I spent almost an hour today at the Oneida Air manufacturing facility hear in Syracuse, NY. It was very informative. My current DC system is an older Oneida Air cyclone 2hp unit with dual bag filtration. Here is a picture of it installed in the old shop.

Sorry it’s sideways, it is not that way in original.

I was interested in upgrading the unit to a cartridge filter. Well it can be done, however, the unit will be maxed out at the farthest point in the shop. That is with only one blast gate open at a time. So if I ever wanted to upgrade to larger planer or drum sander the DC would need upgrading as well. If any helpers were to stop by I can’t run a second tool either. The cost of adding the cartridge filter is fairly significant as it involves some custom adapters. In an effort to not have to redo this thing, ever, I am strongly leaning towards a new Oneida Air 3hp V-System. Yes, the upfront cost is is greater to do this. I would be upgrading to a 3hp from a 2hp, gaining a HEPA filter, a much more efficient motor, and a system designed for the shop by Oneida designers, with room to grow. My current DC unit is rated 2hp, 230volts 18amps. The new one will be 3hp, 230volts 13amps, more hp and less juice used. The larger unit would allow me to maximize the CFM’s to the tools. The noise level of the newer unit will be significantly less then the old beast, another added bonus. Of course I would sell the old beast to help offset the cost of the new one.

Just some things to consider. The designers are working on a quote as I type this. The added health benefits alone should be enough to justify the new unit.

What do you all think?

Lee

-- Making dust and taking names!



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BoardSMITH

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#1 posted 07-14-2014 10:19 PM

FYI I purchased an Oneida Pro 2000 three years ago. Good chip collector but lousy with dust! When I asked the Oneida experts about why the HEPA (?) filter clogged so quickly I was repeatedly told I had a leak in the connection between the cone and barrel. Their only solution was to add a second HEPA (?) filter so I would only have to take them outside to blow them out with an air hose half as often. (HEPA filter? I saw a large amount of dust come through the filter so I doubt the pleated paper filter is HEPA.) So I threw away the sorry pleated filter and added a bag house. Easier to clean and clogs far less often. And the bag house was less expensive than their double pleated filter set up.

I also let Oneida design a system around the DC. When I showed it to the industrial dust collection pros who piped the system, they laughed. To many bends, long rises and other elements that woule make the DC work to hard and lower the suction.

I improved the efficiency of the DC by going to 8” and 6” spiral pipe and connectors throughout the shop and increasing the size of the machine connections to 6”.

-- David www.TheBoardSMITH.com

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AandCstyle

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#2 posted 07-14-2014 11:25 PM

I have a 2 HP Woodsucker and it barely does the job. I wish it would die so I could upgrade to a 3 HP Oneida.

-- Art

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SFDCapt

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#3 posted 07-14-2014 11:27 PM

Art,

Toss in a pipe wrench, that should do the trick!

Lee

-- Making dust and taking names!

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Manitario

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#4 posted 07-15-2014 12:05 AM

For the money, I think that Penn State Ind makes a better DC than Oneida. Oneida certainly hypes their DC’s more, but their filter cartridges are small and I think undersized for their machines. As well, the specific machine you’re looking at has low CFM’s: 1105 at 3.3” SP; put a couple of bends into your ducting and account for the inherent increased static pressure of a cyclone system and you are already dealing with sub-optimal performance. They also use a smaller impeller than neccessary; 14.5” rather than 15” or 15.5” which a 3hp motor should be able to handle. Larger impeller = greater airflow at higher SP.

-- Sometimes the creative process requires foul language. -- Charles Neil

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robscastle

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#5 posted 07-15-2014 10:11 AM

Should work heaps better this way up !
https://s3.amazonaws.com/vs-lumberjocks.com/n8r09pj.jpg!

-- Regards Robert

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ronniebo

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#6 posted 07-16-2014 06:32 AM

Great setup. Have you considered doing away with the filter cartridges and simply venting exhaust gases to the exterior?
The cyclone is so efficient the only time anything much goes outside will be when the shavings/chips.dust container is nearly full.
Just a thought as that is what I have done and love it.
After 2 refills of the 44 gal drum I might just have one cup full of dust and thicknesser shavings as mulch in the garden bed.
Ron

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English

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#7 posted 07-16-2014 02:34 PM

I am a little biased here because I have a Penn State, but the difference in filter area alone is a big point, 110 sft on the Oneida vs 700 sft on the 3.5 hp Penn State. The Penn State is $500.00 cheaper. Look at both and compare the fan curves. They are close but the Penn State is a little better. On my Penn State I have fixed a way to reverse my filters a re-circ back thru the cyclone. This keeps them cleaner.

-- John, Suffolk Virgina

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AandCstyle

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#8 posted 07-16-2014 11:02 PM

Toss in a pipe wrench, that should do the trick!

Now why didn’t I think of that??? :D

-- Art

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SFDCapt

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#9 posted 07-17-2014 02:30 AM

John,

I went to the Penn State website and it shows they are out of stock and have a waiting list. I will see what more info I can get. The unit looks decent at first glance.

-- Making dust and taking names!

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SFDCapt

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#10 posted 07-23-2014 11:50 PM

I pulled the trigger on an Oneida Air V-3000 cyclone yesterday. It is the 3hp system with HEPA filter and 35 gallon container. I got it with the wall mount and they threw in a free remote, 20th anniversary special. I am scheduled to pick the unit up on August 7th.

-- Making dust and taking names!

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