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Blog entry by Bob Kollman posted 06-26-2011 06:37 AM 7873 reads 0 times favorited 36 comments Add to Favorites Watch

As wood workers most or all of us subscribe to certain publications. These Magazines are informative, the advertisers are the companies we want to do business with, and as consumers we gather a wealth of useful information from these publications. But their promotion and circulation departments scam the hell out of us.
Every lumber jock with a subscription to a wood magazine should take July 4th, 2011, to tell these BUTT HEADS that we do not want to receive a renewal notice 3 weeks after we bought a 3 year subscription. RENEW NOW-
Not to mention the great embarrassment when half the magazine renewal notices drop into the libraries return slot
in the bathroom. Promoting your product is great….but please stop the scamming all you wood magazines. One or two renewal notices a month before the subscription has ended is enough.

I don’t like the word scam…but every woodworkers magazine I have subscribed to in the last 7 years uses techniques that lead me to believe that my subscription will come to an end in 30 days or less…It’s a bunch of crap, I hope you’ll let them know that.

-- Bob Kenosha Wi.

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#1 posted 06-26-2011 06:56 AM

I think it’s incredibly sleazy, too.

It came up, on LJ’s, once, and I posted the relevant e-mail addresses for their marketing team, suggesting that people let their feelings on the subject be known.

But I totally agree with you.

-- -- Neil

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Joe Lyddon

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#2 posted 06-26-2011 07:02 AM

Yep… their systems are not being put to proper use…
Any systems analyst worth his salt would think of this and prevent such notices from being sent BUT, Management has the ultimate decision to override the warnings…

Many times, I think they think we’re so damn stupid to renew “to ensure your next issue being delivered on time”, they take a chance on it…!!

ShopNotes or WoodSmith sent me an urgent reminder when I was 2 years away from the end…!
I emailed them & asked them “Why do you think it’s going to be a problem of you being able to ship me future magazines BEFORE my subscription expires in 2 years?”

Never did get an answer!!

It’s NOT just WOOD… They ALL do it!

-- Have Fun! Joe Lyddon - Alta Loma, CA USA - Home: ... My Small Gallery:"

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Bob Kollman

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#3 posted 06-26-2011 07:20 AM

Thanks for the responce guys….I plan on e-mailing this thread to the publishers
to see if they have a view on this.

-- Bob Kenosha Wi.

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#4 posted 06-26-2011 07:24 AM

I don’t have a subscription to any magazine. I do buy Shopnotes, Woodsmith, and Wood magazine religiously every month. But, I have to be honest. I like going out to the store and buying my mags off the rack. The thrill of going out and searching Saturday or Sunday morning and hoping that my mag was in, is exciting to me. Weird I know. And more expensive, but I’ll never subscibe for that reason.

-- I'm a Fungi --

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David Grimes

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#5 posted 06-26-2011 07:40 AM

Bob, I agree with you 100% except for the communist tag. Unfortunately this is capitalist marketing at its finest.

I get the calls from on-line Yellow Pages verifying my information for a service I routinely decline every year. If I were to fall for it, they would get the information and then get a supervisor on to seal the deal… soon followed by an invoice in the mail for something I don’t even want.

I do feel a bit sorry for the print media business in general. The future is not their friend.

-- If you're going to stir the pot, think BIG spoon or SMALL boat paddle. David Grimes, Georgia

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#6 posted 06-26-2011 09:01 AM

I’m still a big fan of print media, despite the amount of online reading I do. I agree though, it is a huge PITA to get renewal notices a month after I’ve subscribed. I’ve been tempted to tell them to either stop sending me that crap or cancel my subscription.

-- Sometimes the creative process requires foul language. -- Charles Neil

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#7 posted 06-26-2011 10:05 AM

Every business in this country has scraped the bottom of the barrel to find their business practices in the last couple decades, Just when I thought they couldn’t sink any lower, they find a way! ;-(

-- Bob in WW ~ "some old things are lovely, warm still with life ... of the forgotten men who made them." - D.H. Lawrence

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#8 posted 06-26-2011 10:06 AM

I have to agree with David there Bob. This is the Cream of the crop in Capitalist Marketing. Alas though, Communist are making money too. and the rich CEO’s of American commerce are growing fat.
As the American worker looks for a job.

Anyone else want this soap box.

-- If A equals success, then the formula is, A = X + Y + Z, Where X is work, Y is play, And Z is keep your mouth shut." -Albert Einstein.

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David Grimes

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#9 posted 06-26-2011 10:23 AM

The gentleman from Georgia requests to again approach the soap box for a quick refrain:

If China (and Russia) had not found a way to remain communist, yet embrace capitalist ways, then the US would have remained the worlds largest supplier and buyer. Alas, much of manufacturing is gone or going, leaving us with middle class blue collar unemployment that won’t go away and all the myriad problems that entails (shrinking tax base, government debt, government services and programs slashed or eliminated, companies removing legacy people and benefits to compete, etc.). It will not improve much or go away as long as the trade playing field is not leveled in wages and currency valuation.

Any high tech (or other) technology inventions and/or innovations are promptly outsourced overseas for profitable manufacturing, then sold back to us. Then before you know it, those products are being copied by overseas companies and swipe all the market share of the originating company.

Tariffs are taboo because they own so much of our debt.

Yeah, it’s a pitiful downward spiral situation.

-- If you're going to stir the pot, think BIG spoon or SMALL boat paddle. David Grimes, Georgia

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#10 posted 06-26-2011 11:53 AM

Agreed. I hate when they start calling because I am down to ONLY two YEARS left on my subscription. Give me a break. I am not going to pony up until about two issues.

-- Scott in Texas

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#11 posted 06-26-2011 12:28 PM

All of these renewals got to be confusing for me. I finally had to make a list of the magazines and memberships that I have so that I could keep track of them. I needed a quick way to check to see when I subscribed, length of membership/subscription, if I paid by check/credit card/PayPal, and the earliest date that I would renew it. I’ll decide at that time if I’m going to renew it,

-- Dan - Valparaiso, Indiana, "A smart man changes his mind, a fool never does."

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#12 posted 06-26-2011 01:24 PM

What’s worse… Ever wonder how much of your subscription dollars go into those wasteful solicitations? At $20 per year average, I bet they spend five of it just sending me renewal notices. What a waste of money and natural resources!

-- Jeff, Deltona Florida

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#13 posted 06-26-2011 01:57 PM

I got one request for a mag that I was going to drop because I thought the price was just too high. The deal was for about half the price and twice the time so I decided to again renew. But I made a mistake and renewed twice (it was an online offer.) So I now have 8 years of the mag for about $24.00.
Sometimes there is a silver lining.


-- No piece is cut too short. It was meant for a smaller project.

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Bill Davis

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#14 posted 06-26-2011 02:21 PM

I’ll admit having some of the same frustration but…

I think if we spent more time in the shop and less time fussing over things like this that help make our free society work and that we have the free choice to ignore or be bothered with we all would get more enjoyment from our woodworking hobby.

We decide what we are going to allow ourselves to become frustrated with!

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Sheila Landry (scrollgirl)

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#15 posted 06-26-2011 03:05 PM

I have purposely STOPPED subscribing to some of my favorite magazines because of stuff like this. I am with Dan – the notices get confusing when you subscribe to a couple of different issues and you start getting badgered soon after you started. It reminds me of the story “The Boy Who Cried Wolf” (HURRY! YOUR SUBSCRIPTION IS GOING TO EXPIRE!!!!) Then when it actually is almost up, you don’t believe the notices anymore and are at the point of filtering them out. I think that these places are shooting themselves in the foot by this crap.


-- Designer/Artist/Teacher. Owner of Sheila Landry Designs ( Scroll saw, wood working and painting patterns and surfaces. "Knowledge is Power"

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