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Bowling Alley Workbench #2: Design B...B...Because I said so. -more criticism please

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Blog entry by PurpLev posted 06-04-2009 10:17 PM 7648 reads 0 times favorited 18 comments Add to Favorites Watch
« Part 1: Conceptual Design 1 - feedback appreciated Part 2 of Bowling Alley Workbench series Part 3: Back to Square1... Committed to new Design - legs are ready. »

So after giving some food for though, and going back and forth between 2 designs – my original one:

and the Roubo Bench (the one I was drooling over was Jameel’s bench from handcrafted vises), I decided to take the things that would work best for me today, based on materials that I have available today – while keeping an open door for future changes.

here are the features I am going for:

1. wagon vise – tail vise abilities, without the sagging, and without the screw protruding away from the benchtop

2. Leg vise – this will give me 9” clamping capacity without screws/guides in the way, and longer pieces can be clamped on the side of the vise – close enough to the original idea of shoulder vise – but doesnt protrude from the bench as the shoulder vise would – and not being in the way.

3. under cabinet storage – some may not like this – but I need to use any space I have – so this is critical. I do want to keep it off the floor to allow placing other things on floor level if needed -and also leave some access space under the benchtop to reach for benchdogs, and place other accessories there.

4. lets not having end-grain touching floor – for moisture reasons – and I also like the look of the ‘feet’

so here is what this came out to:

As usual – any thoughts, ideas, criticism, suggestions are most welcome – I still have the ability to go back and use the original design which is only different in terms of the shoulder vise.

Thanks for reading – and thanks in advance for any comments.

-- ㊍ When in doubt - There is no doubt - Go the safer route.



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#1 posted 06-04-2009 10:22 PM

Very nice Sharon. I like you rational for your design.

-- I've been blessed with a father who liked to tinker in wood, and a wife who lets me tinker in wood. Southern Delaware karson_morrison@bigfoot.com †

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#2 posted 06-04-2009 10:47 PM

Looks great though you still have it flipped in SU >:). How thick is your top now and how did you build it up as you stated the bowling alley bits were 2” thick?

-- //FC - Round Rock, TX - "Experience is what you get just after you need it"

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#3 posted 06-04-2009 11:18 PM

Yep, got to have a ‘Dead Man’.

W. Kirk Crawford
Tularosa, New Mexico

-- W. Kirk Crawford - Tularosa, New Mexico

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#4 posted 06-04-2009 11:47 PM

neat idea on how to make the leg vice flush with the top.

-- if the hand is not working it is not a pure hand

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#5 posted 06-04-2009 11:59 PM

Hey guy looks good bring it on.

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#6 posted 06-04-2009 11:59 PM

I can’t see a tool well and the side vise should be on the oppostie end for me as I am right handed.

-- A mind, like a home, is furnished by its owner

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#7 posted 06-05-2009 12:35 AM

lol, Thanks all – sIKE – I think it’s a bug in my sketchup – seems like every bench I design in it comes out the ‘other way’ the top is 2” thick – with the skirts being 4” which would hide the wagon vise mechanism, and give me another surface I can clamp boards to with a regular clamp (long boards)

kiwi – the leg vise IS flush with the table top – there are 3 legs on the right side of the bench – the 2 legs mirroring the left side, and a 3rd leg that sits flush with the table top and acts as the clamping surface for the vise. this leg supports the top, and reaches all the way to the floor (end grain – couldn’t help it) where it’s curved out to give it a nicer look, and reduce the end grain on the floor.

Bob – I’m not a big fan of a tool well, I always seem to end up clamping a board on the top with the tools in the well UNDER the board… I find it works better for me when I place the tools in an overhead cabinet, or on the side/drawer.

-- ㊍ When in doubt - There is no doubt - Go the safer route.

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#8 posted 06-05-2009 12:39 AM

What’s that thing with the holes in it?

-dummy

-- Gary, Los Angeles, video game animator

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#9 posted 06-05-2009 01:24 AM

So was it the video of Jameel’s bench that sent you over the top? I like the leg vise better, but does it have an extra piece? something does not look quite right. I think the front leg and the front edge of the top should be the rear clamping surface for the vise. Are you going with a wood or metal screw?

-- Good judgement comes from experience and experience comes from poor judgement.

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#10 posted 06-05-2009 01:38 AM

Gary – that is a deadman its used with pegs to support long boards in accompany with the front vise.

Timbo – thanks, I would like to make this design work. the front edge of the top (it’s actually the skirt 4” high, 2” thick) and the front leg are flush and are indeed the rear clamping of the leg vise as you can see here :
leg vise view

the front leg is mortised to take the horizontal base parts in.

I’m planning on using metal screws from lee valley as my budget is limited. it WILL also have a bottom parallel guide that is not in the sketch at the moment.

-- ㊍ When in doubt - There is no doubt - Go the safer route.

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#11 posted 06-05-2009 01:47 AM

Aha better view, I see now. That looks well supported.

-- Good judgement comes from experience and experience comes from poor judgement.

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#12 posted 06-05-2009 02:09 AM

Now I get it. Thanks!

Next question – what keeps the clamp parallel with the table leg when you clamp a piece in there? It seems it would want to bend toward the leg at the bottom. My understanding of bench vises is pretty minimal.

-- Gary, Los Angeles, video game animator

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#13 posted 06-05-2009 02:46 AM

Looks really good. Nice details.

BTW—did you do these drawings in SketchUp or something else? I’ve messed with Sketchup a little and used to do AutoCAD professionally, curious to know what people are using these days.

-- It is better to wear out than to rust out. --Cumberland

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#14 posted 06-05-2009 02:54 AM

Gary – as I stated to Tim, there IS a parallel guide on the bottom of the leg vise which keeps it from binding to the leg – it’s just not yet in the sketch as this is just a preliminary sketch to get a feel for proportions, size, and general look. you can see that parallel guide here: Jameels' Roubo Blog

aj – Thanks. this is in sketchup, I’ve used many others (AutoCAD,Maya,formZ,etc) but find sketchup to be the fastest, lightest, and easiest to use when it comes to woodworking – precise measurements in a snap, and joinery made easy. sketchup has picked up really well recently in WW forums – finewoodworking, and popular woodworking have both adapted it and have online tutorials, books, and online library of models for it.

-- ㊍ When in doubt - There is no doubt - Go the safer route.

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#15 posted 06-05-2009 03:21 AM

Good luck my friend on this endeavor… I know you thought this one out for quit some time, take you time enjoy the process this one will be with you for quit some time. If at all possible go for the heaviest and hardest wood you can find, it will pay major dividend in the long run, and last but not least when your done have a banquet of lobster and wine to enjoy the rock of future projects…your friend Blkcherry

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