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Dust Collection #1: (Finally) Upgrading from a Shop-Vac

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Blog entry by PurpLev posted 2205 days ago 5656 reads 1 time favorited 11 comments Add to Favorites Watch
no previous part Part 1 of Dust Collection series Part 2: infiltration.... filter me this, filter me that »

So for the longest time I’ve heard how much a Shop-vac doesnt quite cut it when it comes to larger machines, and how much quieter “real” DC machines are compared to a shop-vac, but being a weekend warrior, my budget is limited, and space was a big issue for me until recently (we just moved, and I have a full garage to work with now – will be blogged soon as well).

Lately I was eyeing some Delta AP400 machines that float on craigslist once in a while for very attractive prices (sub $70) but wasn’t sure if that would quite hit the spot as I would like to have ductwork and a more permanent solution rather than plugging/unplugging and moving the DC from one machine to another.

I decided to pass on some good Delta AP400 offers, and wait for another opportunity. That opportunity came last week in the form of a Jet 1100DC unit (1.5HP) for a reasonable price off of craigslist (again). Apparently this unit has been getting rave reviews from Fine Woodworking, as well as Bill Pentz, both are reputable sources. So I now have the 1100DC in my garage, and the next step would be to setup a minimal length of ductwork that will cause the least amount of reduction in performance while still providing me with ample access to the dust makers.

Another important upgrade that I am about to make is to replace the bag top filter with a cartridge filter. I think I will go with the Wynn Environmental Kit as they seem to have a very good customer service, and provide with a lot of information online which I appreciate (as opposed to PSI which still doesn’t really have much info on their products- surprisingly) also their kit shows to be the most effective and filters down to 0.5 micron, and is the most cost effective (I’m still trying to keep the financial expanses to the minimal). I will continue this blog as updates progress, and put up some photos once I get the filter conversion on the go.

Does anyone here have any experience with the Wynn filters? or the PSI filters? how do you like them?

-- ㊍ When in doubt - There is no doubt - Go the safer route.



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Slacker

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#1 posted 2205 days ago

As far as duct work is concerned, Ridgid sells a complete system with gates and stuff. You can get it at Home Depot online.

-- Adapt, improvise, overcome

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Bigbuck

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#2 posted 2205 days ago

Cool. Congrats on the bigger shop. Let us know how the dust collector works. I am still using a shop vac but would like to get a real dust collection system set up some day when I get more space.

-- Glenn, New Mexico

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Toolz

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#3 posted 2205 days ago

I have the JET DC1100 C with canister with 4” green PVC ductwork and plastic blast gates. It is connected to a 6” jointer, Dewalt 13” thickness planer, Ridgid table saw, Ridgid bandsaw, and Triton Router in a Kreg Table. I use 4” flex hosr to the planer, jointer and JET 22/22 sander. The other tools are connected via a 4” to 2” reducer to one set of the Ridgid DC system mentioned by “Slacker” and a small 1HP portable DC is dedicated to
another set of wall mounted Ridgid tubing and gates dedicated to two drill presses, a scroll saw and a couple of small sanders. I bought one length of Loc-Line flex tubung and just move it from one gate to another depending on which of the smaller tools I am using. I really didn’t plan this set up it more or less evolved with additional tool purchases. All in all the suction of the JET DC 1100C works quite well. Take a peek at my workshop to get a better feel of what I was trying to say. LOL Afterall photos are better than words.
http://lumberjocks.com/jocks/Toolz/workshop and http://s266.photobucket.com/albums/ii252/Toolz45/Dust%20Collector%20Progress/ and
http://s266.photobucket.com/albums/ii252/Toolz45/Workshop%20Photos/ Best wishes. Larry AKA Toolz
p.s. I also have a Ridgid shop van for general clean up and it also get connected to the bottom of the Triton router in addition to the DC line that is connected to the table fence.

-- Larry "Work like a Captain but Play like a Pirate!"

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PurpLev

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#4 posted 2205 days ago

Thanx Slacker, there are actually similar sets available also from Shop-Vac, and Lee-Valley, but I’m hoping to just stick to 4” ductwork, and only reduce to 2” if I utterly have no other choice.

Toolz – thats a nice setup, I didn’t think the 1100DC can handle so much ductwork, I was planning on having something much much much shorter and with less splitting – basically have 1 single line running on the wall, and have ‘T’s off of it with gates for each separate tool- glad to see that the 1100DC can handle so much ductwork. thanx for the words, and the pics! most appreciated.

-- ㊍ When in doubt - There is no doubt - Go the safer route.

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Karson

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#5 posted 2205 days ago

Lev:

I upgreded to a grizly canister. Here is the blog on it.

Congratulations on the new shop. Oh and the house to go with it.

I was doing some planing yesterday and filled up the metal trash can and about 25% of the vac bag. Having a clear bag is sure nice.

-- I've been blessed with a father who liked to tinker in wood, and a wife who lets me tinker in wood. Southern Delaware karson_morrison@bigfoot.com †

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ahock

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#6 posted 1910 days ago

I realize this is a pretty old thread but thought I would add that wherever you can try and use wye’s instead of T’s as they really do cut down on the restriction of airflow.

-- Andy, PA ~Finding satisfaction in creation

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PurpLev

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#7 posted 1909 days ago

good note ahock – in fact, I would consider a T blasphemy – and would NEVER suggest using those for DC ducting as these are the worst aerodynamic parts.

-- ㊍ When in doubt - There is no doubt - Go the safer route.

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MattOD

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#8 posted 1283 days ago

I don’t want to challenge your judgment but I can’t see a cartridge filter as being better than a bag, especially in a shop environment. Seems like a cartridge filter would clog much more easily than a bag.

-- Matt - http://www.plastmo.co.uk

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DIYaholic

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#9 posted 1282 days ago

Matt,
Yes, the cartridge will “clog” faster. The reason it clogs faster is because it is working, stopping the fines (which pass through the bag) from staying air borne. That is why you use the cartridge filter, clog up the filter and not your lungs! A stock bag will filter out particles of 5 microns or larger. A cartride filter can remove particles as small as 0.5microns. It really is your choice, clog your cartridge or your lungs. I’m choosing to clog the cartridge.

-- Randy-- I may not be good...but I am slow! If good things come to those who wait.... Why is procratination a bad thing?

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GaryK

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#10 posted 1282 days ago

The biggest thing to make me get a DC was the noise of a shopvac. That high pitch whine was real annoying.

MattOD – canisters typically have a handle on the top. It rotates some flappers against the pleats on the inside to knock off the dust and unclog them. I’ll typically do it once a day before I first turn it on.

-- Gary - Never pass up the opportunity to make a mistake look like you planned it that way - Tyler, TX

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rjoakwood

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#11 posted 1162 days ago

I asked the pros of my woodworking friends and they seconded Wynn. Not just the quality of the product but they are also happy with customer support as well.

-- Richard - http://www.oakfurnituresolutions.co.uk

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