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Blog entry by OldWrangler posted 11-15-2014 05:44 AM 1605 reads 0 times favorited 12 comments Add to Favorites Watch

After waiting 3 weeks my band saw finally came in. I have been wanting to get a new band saw to replace my 25 y/o Rockwell 14. This has been a really good machine for a long time but it is worn out and I keep having to buy parts and up grades. It was time to spend some money. After doing several days homework I had boiled it down to Rikon, Steel City and Jet. The Jet seemed to be the Cadillac of the group but then it was also the most expensive.

Then in researching I saw that Home Depot could order any of them and either ship it to my home or the store. About that time Woodcraft put the 10” Rikon on sale, about $50 discount. I called our local store only to learn that they had none in stock and had none on order….bummer!

Then I started looking at what I could do with HD. They always give me a 10% discount for my military service. I could order the Jet 10” online (free shipping to store or home). Their price was $395 and Woodcraft was $375. HD has a policy of meeting and exceeding a competitor’s price by 10%. So meeting the price at $375 and then the 10% less took the machine to $337.50. Then my Military disc. was another 10% taking the BS to $309.75. Now there is also another 10% if the saw would be paid for with a HD gift card. Now the machine is at $278.78. Also the difference in sales tax amounts to another $8.80 to $270.00. What a deal.

Now the sales clerk brought out the machine and put the figures into the computer and found that purchases online can only qualify for one discount, either the 10% price match or the Military. Well, the cashier said the computer would not let it go through so she called the AM to get some help.

The AM is nice lady I have made several things for and written the company how good she is. That kind of stuff is appreciated and in turn has gotten me a friend who does little things for me. She tried and still the computer would not register the extra 10%. So she says “do you have any other shopping to do?”. I told her I can always find something to buy. She said pick up about $35 of stuff and she could write it off on the store. So we did and she did and everybody is happy. The store has once again come through for me. Now tomorrow I will build the stand and assemble the saw. I’ll have a new, accurate saw for small projects requiring a 1/8” to 1/4” blade and my old saw become my resaw with a 5/8” or 3/’4” blade. This is really gonna be nice to be able to do so much more in my shop.

What a deal and nothing that anyone else couldn’t do. So guys, figure out what you need and get it through HD ” The Big Boy’s Toy Store. Everyone else is working different deals. I haven’t paid full price in any restaurant for a long time. They all have a senior’s disc, or coupons or veterans’s disc. We use the all and found some of the places will give you 2 of the discounts on the same meal. Maybe there is something good about being old after-all.

-- I am going to go stand outside so if anyone asks about me, tell them I'M OUTSTANDING!



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ralbuck

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#1 posted 11-15-2014 06:03 AM

Had to edit; almost forgot the “Congratulations on the new “toy”!

The good thing about being old”???

Is that we made it! Many will not! When I worked fulltime—last—they gave me crap about being “OLD” I used to tell them “I made it this far at least ONE of you will not statistically Who is it!” Now one at least did not—died last summer at 43 years old!

Good kid—tragic loss—left young family! WE do not know the hour or the means! We just know eventually us too!

I would rather have been me than him; but, I did not get that choice!

-- just rjR

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#2 posted 11-15-2014 10:35 AM

Let us know how the new. Toy works. I don’t cut big stuff so it might be just what I’m looking for. Thanks from the retired class!!

-- Duckster, Texas. {Any day of fishing, Beats a good day at work.} Wash your feet and love Jesus

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#3 posted 11-15-2014 11:14 AM

Although I’m retired and have been for 10 years, I just can’t find the time to go thru all of that. Perhaps I could find the time, just don’t want to.
My shop isn’t big enough for 2 band saws even if one is a table top so when I upgraded I opted for the Grizzly 555LANV. It’s capable of blades from 1/8” to 3/4” and actually I’ve been resawing with a 1/4” blade. I caught it on sale sometime last fall, quite happy with it.

-- Dick, Malvern Ohio - Your imagination is your only holdup

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#4 posted 11-15-2014 12:19 PM

Dick, my shop is small and I honestly don’t know where the new saw will go. Probably where the big fan has been all summer. It can come out and go into the garage. But the only way I was ever gonna get some quality boxes done was to have better equipment. After all the research, when I hit upon how to do this and save money too, I had spent far too much time and forced myself to go forward. I can’t see any downside yet but then the machine is not yet assembled.
I’ll review the machine in a couple of weeks after I get it dialed in and have a good chance to use it. I hope it is what I am gonna like. $300 is not a big investment and we are comfortable beyond our SS. Those checks are over $2,000 a month and usually go into savings. We decided that when the end is nearly in sight, we should go out doing fun things and generally enjoying life. Next Friday I will be 77 y/o and I think I can almost see the light at the end of the tunnel. So I’m going out smiling not like some of our friends who worry about having a lot to leave to the kids and everything else. I have been very lucky all my life and it continues today. If I go, the kids get a shop full of wonderful tools and a greenhouse of valuable Bonsai I have been training for over 40 years…....use it or sell it, I won’t care.
But if I do go, I’m gonna find some way to sneak my new BS in with me.

-- I am going to go stand outside so if anyone asks about me, tell them I'M OUTSTANDING!

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#5 posted 11-15-2014 05:06 PM

George, my only advice is to watch the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGbZqWac0jU
Being a veteran on the band saw you probably won’t learn anything new but I found it to be extremely helpful with setting up my Grizzly band saw. As a matter of fact, I used his same techniques to set up my Craftsman 12” Electronic band saw and the darn thing finally worked as it should and I only owned it 19 years.
My wife and I decided to leave the kids all of our pictures from our 2 Mediterranean cruses, trip to Australia and Mexico. The pictures fron our Canadian fishing trips are in the folder and they can view them any time. As well, someone is going to get some really nice tools because I’m not leaving any money to fight over, I’m spending it.
btw – The Hartville Hardware tool sale is this coming weekend, Nov. 21st & 22nd. I don’t really need anything right now except a few Whiteside router bits but I going anyway, I know there will be something I just can’t live without.

-- Dick, Malvern Ohio - Your imagination is your only holdup

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#6 posted 11-15-2014 08:05 PM

Dick, I plan on watching the video after lunch. I’ve been on assembling the BS since 8:30 and it ain’t gpong good. First, right out of the box, I open the hardware bag and I’m short 2 nuts for the carriage bolt in the stand. Of course they are metric nuts and among the hundreds of nuts I have, none are the right size metric. The stand now has 2 1/4” hex bolt with nuts. Then is another bolt with a nut that they don’t mention in the instructions. But I figured it had to go some place and it turn out to be the stop bolt for table tilt mech. After an hour of tuning and adjusting I am beginning to wonder if this was a good deal or not. I gotta go look at a Rikon and see if it is as poorly designed and flimsy. At this point I am unimpressed with Jet…,.looks like it’s gonna be just another piece of Chinese crap. That is disappointing as Woodcraft said it was their recommendation…..they called it the Cadillac of Band saws. I wish it was a well built as my old Rockwell. So far I have found that what isn’t plastic is aluminum or pot metal. The table seems to be the only steel in it but what it attach to seems at first look to be flimsy. I am starting to think the stand is the best part of this machine. I am reminded of the 60’s when this country was buried under an avalanche of crap from Japan/ Now 50 years later the things we get from Japan have become some of the best made things in the world. It’s just too bad the crap from China sells cheaper than any one else.
That ios all you find in places like WalMart, Sears, Target and many others. I saw a framed poster that said “Support America. Put Americans back to work. Buy American”..........and on the back was a little white sticker saying “Hecho in China”. They are now exporting goods to us for our vast numbers of Hispanics. Swell !!!

Back to the shop and more assembling and tuning. More later.

-- I am going to go stand outside so if anyone asks about me, tell them I'M OUTSTANDING!

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#7 posted 11-15-2014 11:19 PM

Moving forward is the key congrats on the purchase

-- Norman - I never never make a mistake, I just change the design.

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#8 posted 11-16-2014 04:21 AM

New Band Saw II…...The adventure moves forward however kinda turtle-like. I worked on that saw for nearly 8 hours and tomorrow I’ll give it a real workout.
My opinion of Jet has altered somewhat. This thing has some well thoughtout items that seem to make this a better machine than I thought it was gonna be. The directions supplied with the saw don’t mention a lot of things that you just have to work out for yourself. It’s still a lot of plastic and too much pot metal but they don’t seem to be in critical areas.
The blade guides seem a bit flimsy and as always the bottom ones are a bitch to get to. Maybe sitting on the floor or turning the saw upside down would be better than bending over for the 1/2 hour they took to get in the right position but it is done. Would have been better if the directions were more help. Then moving to the top guides I find a neat feature. The thing that adjusts the height of the cutting height is a rack and pinion. You can dial in exactly what you want….good idea #1,
The guides are all rollers and that would be good idea #2 and there is a secret about adjusting them on either side of the blade. It appears to be factory set but the side rollers are encentric, that is as the knurled rod is turned the wheels more closer or further away from the blade. You can get them exactly at 1/32” as suggested. Then lock it down and that’s ready to go. Good idea #3.
The upper and lower wheels are not in alignment. I’ll have to figure that out in the morning. May have to shim one of the wheels. The blade runs exactly in the middle of the upper and way far forward on the bottom wheel. It will run and work fine. I am pretty sure they didn’t build it to be that way.
The tension is a quick release lever and that is a welcome change from my old one. It will save wear on the tires and the blade. Good idea #4.
Table has only one trunion to make it tilt or tighten. Of course 2 would have held better but it looks like it might be OK. It locks down solid and has an angle guide arrow that is useless. It just has to be tinkered with and adjusted every time before you should start cutting.
Speaking of cutting. It can be set square with something that is square. The opening is too small for my digital angle finder or my try-square. Also I find that the table tilt a couple of degrees forward. I’ll try to remedy that tomorrow. So at the end of today, it is up and running and I’m gonna like it. Tomorrow I’ll tweak a few items and
try it out on something real.
Two last items for today. The wheel covers for both wheels have a hinged cover and they are easy to open and
get to the wheels. Good idea # 5
And last, the table has a pull out extension Good idea #6 but it may not amount to much. Just something to get in your way if you doing something else. It locks in and is mostly out of the way. Good idea maybe .
BTW, the miter guage is a joke. It is a flimsy piece of plastic that I wouldn’t let stay in my shop because someone might see it. It is really cheesey. The Fence looks mice and may be a handy idea.
More tomorrow.

-- I am going to go stand outside so if anyone asks about me, tell them I'M OUTSTANDING!

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#9 posted 11-17-2014 02:33 AM

New Band Saw III

Can’t give you much of a report. I was just finishing a project and a problem came up with my old table saw. As usual, something easy to fix , wasn’t! I spent 5 hours (or wasted 5 hours) fixing something that 10 years ago would have been about an hours job. My fingers have little feeling, the fingers are stiff and all signs of dexterity are gone. Couple that with working on a place that required sitting on the floor and it kicked my ass. In one part I had only to install a 3/8” x 2” carriage bolt with a nut. After I had fumbled and dropped the nut a couple of times I just stopped looking for the nuts and got my nut drawer down with plenty of them. From there on when I dropped that nut, I let iust lay and got a new one. One by one they fell out of my hands and onto the floor. When I finally got one to thread and snugged it down, I got my magnetic floor sweeper and ran it over the work area. Picked up 23 of the nuts, some screws, a couple of pieces of wire from a wire wheel and a battery like a hearing aid battery that I have no idea what it fell out of.
Back to the new saw. I took some old scrap wood 12/4” and tried to cut like I would doing a BS box. Saw cut like a dream but on cuts with too tight a radius, the saw bogged down and constantly stopped. I would turn off the saw, back it out a bit and start again. Finally got a circle about 2 1/2” in diameter cut but the saw stopped 6-7 times. I was feeding the wood at different rates and that didn’t help. Conclusion….this saw is badly underpowered. I may try swapping a 3/4 hp for this 1/2 hp. I could be this Chink motor says it is 1/2 hp and it is really not. I don’t trust foreign manufacturers, too much counterfeit goods coming in by the boat full. Then I had the problem with the saw table slanted forward. There are no possible adjustments for this, only the trunion that tilts the table to 45. This problem is a front to back tilt of about 2 degree. Even that little slant to the table causes cut out for the box to be a bad fit. Too much sanding needed then to make an accurate box. For what this machine is intended, it puts a damper on my feelings. It is possible that tomorrow I can find a way to shim the trunion or the table and problem solved.
There are many really good features on this machine, one being a 90 guarantee for a full refund if it not what I expected. And so far it is not yet.
I’ll get back to you tomorrow with more tales of trial and tribulation.

-- I am going to go stand outside so if anyone asks about me, tell them I'M OUTSTANDING!

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#10 posted 11-17-2014 03:04 AM

Good luck with that bud. Hope it works out.

-- Shooting down the walls of heartache. Bang bang. I am. The warrior.

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#11 posted 11-17-2014 10:22 PM

Band Saw IV…..
I think the Woodworking Gods are against me. Yesterday instead of testing out the new Band Saw, I had to make a lengthy repair to the table saw. Took most of the day.
So I go out to put that new saw to the test but before I do that, I need to plane down a board for the testing. Damn, second pass through and the belt broke. Now instead of having fun with my new toy I gotta replace the belt. I usually keep a spare around and after looking for about 15 minutes I remembered where it was and there it was. Can’t keep many of these in stock at nearly $50 a pop. Fortunately I have replaced several of these belts and DeWalt engineers have made it reasonably painless. One bolt on the up and down crank. 2 bolts on the top cover and 2 small self-tappers in the plastic side cover. And a star driver comes with the planer originally and that makes it even easier. Then you are there and can see the mangled belt. It comes out and the new on went on with a great deal of effort but didn’t need to heat it like before. Now I am back in business again and on to the new toy. I measured the tilt angles on the table to the blade with my digital angle finder and it reads on the left/right tilt 89.1 and on the front to back 91.8. Side to side is easy. Loosen the trunion lock and move it unil it reads 90.0. Well back and forth for about 20 minutes and I got it to 90.1…close enough for government work so I locked it down there. By tapping the table with the trunion a tiny bit loose, it too came around reads a straight up 90.0. Now I made a BS cutout like the start of a box and it slid in back and forth with the saw kerf giving it the 1slack needed. One last tweak and it’s ready. The tires have the belt running more on one than the other. Tilt setting on the top wheels fixes that and a big plastic wing nut fixes that. Little later and I’ll pkzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

-- I am going to go stand outside so if anyone asks about me, tell them I'M OUTSTANDING!

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#12 posted 11-18-2014 05:10 PM

I was so tired last night when I made that comment, I kept falling asleep. I must have posted and went to bed in a stupor. I guess that last line was me getting my “Z’s”.

This morning I have had a chance to play with the BS without any interruptions. It’s a dandy.
The pros are all the things I have mentioned like the full roller guided. the concentric guide rollers, the rack and pinion height adjustment, heavy steel table, pretty decent fence, blade tension lever, easy blade change, blade tensioning gage, and I’ll probably use the table ext.
The cons are the machine is tough to put together, instructions not wonderful, underpowered (and it is a full 1/2 hp. the others were less) and the table difficult to square in both tilt directions.

So I am pleased with my purchase at $393 and would not be so pleased if I had the $395. I hope to get some interesting BS boxes to show you in the future. I’ve got some ideas I want to try. On the old Rockwell tweaking the guides, a better fence and a good 5/8” re-saw blade and it should handle all my resawing needs.

If anyone has any questions about this saw, just message me.

-- I am going to go stand outside so if anyone asks about me, tell them I'M OUTSTANDING!

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