PDF files

I am not sure that is OK Obi… I would and will if they are OK with it… I would suggest that you sign up for the site… for those of us who are somewhat new to this without stacks of their publication being able to have access to all the articles and projects from the past is worth the money.

Drew

-- Drew, Pleasant Grove, Utah

I think you need to be careful doing that Michael. It is all copyrighted content. You could find yourself in deep water for sharing files. Lots of people getting sued for that these days. Not to mention the fact that it’s not fair to those who are creating the content either.

IMNSHO

-- Bob, Carver Massachusetts, Sawdust Maker http://www.capecodbaychallenge.org

Never Mind

-- http://ye-olde-cabinet-shoppe.com/

I agree with Drew as well. I initially signed up to get access to Brian Boggs shave horse plans (great design). Having access to all the past magazines is extaordinary. An enormous wealth of knowledge. I have downloaded almost every PDF article they have (thank you to my very fast cable connection). Which is fine since I’m not planning on sharing it. It’s actually easiier to just to use the site and search for the content you want anyway.

LOL…I just saw your response… We know your heart is in the right place. :)

-- Bob, Carver Massachusetts, Sawdust Maker http://www.capecodbaychallenge.org

so let’s adapt the idea.

What’s the goal? To access people’s knowledge base.
I think we share pretty well here but there’s always new avenues that haven’t been though of before.
Dick is really good at heading us to the online magazine if we want a certain article. We can then choose to sign up or not.

Are there other ways that we can expand supports available here -without crossing any taboo lines of course.

I’ll have to get my thinking cap on this one!

-- ~ Debbie, Canada (http://www.execulink.com/~yohan)

I have copied & pasted an article, & sent it to one individual. I don’t think that is exploiting a copyright. This way it’s not going out to the whole world.
Does anyone have any input about doing it this way?

-- -** You are never to old to set another goal or to dream a new dream ****************** Dick, & Barb Cain, Hibbing, MN. http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/gallery/member.php?uid=3627&protype=1

Opinion doesn’t carry much weight in the legal system. Let’s look at fact, instead. I don’t think Taunton wouldl mind if I copy and paste their Copyright Policy here:

Copyright Notice

This Service (including, but not limited to text, content, photographs, video and audio) is protected by copyright as a collective work or compilation under U.S. copyright and other laws. You must abide by all additional copyright notices or restrictions contained in this Service.

You may create Web links to any URL on taunton.com, including articles.

YOU MAY NOT COPY, REPRODUCE, DISTRIBUTE, PUBLISH, DISPLAY, PERFORM, MODIFY, CREATE DERIVATIVE WORKS, TRANSMIT, OR IN ANY WAY EXPLOIT ANY PART OF THIS SERVICE, EXCEPT THAT YOU MAY DOWNLOAD MATERIAL FROM THIS SERVICE FOR YOUR OWN PERSONAL, NONCOMMERCIAL USE AS FOLLOWS: YOU MAY MAKE ONE MACHINE READABLE COPY AND/OR ONE PRINT COPY THAT IS LIMITED TO OCCASIONAL ARTICLES OF PERSONAL INTEREST ONLY.

WITHOUT LIMITING THE GENERALITY OF THE FOREGOING, YOU MAY NOT DISTRIBUTE ANY PART OF THIS SERVICE OVER ANY NETWORK, INCLUDING A LOCAL AREA NETWORK, NOR SELL NOR OFFER IT FOR SALE. IN ADDITION, THESE FILES MAY NOT BE USED TO CONSTRUCT ANY KIND OF DATABASE.

I don’t know about you, but that sounds pretty clear to me.

-- Ethan, http://greystonegreen.blogspot.com/

Thanks Ethan
That’s what I wanted to know.

-- -** You are never to old to set another goal or to dream a new dream ****************** Dick, & Barb Cain, Hibbing, MN. http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/gallery/member.php?uid=3627&protype=1

Well I guess this is where the rebel in me starts to come out.
If I accessed it online and could save it to my computer then I will share it to whomever I want. If it helps someone else grow mentally, spiritually or any other way, I have no qualms about giving it away.

I know that whoever let me read it for free has no way of knowing if I e-mail it to a friend or not.

Catch me if you can.

-- http://ye-olde-cabinet-shoppe.com/

I’m not trying to be nasty or start an argument here, just making a point.

How about I come into your shop and take a project you have been working on and give it to a friend. Regardless of your rebel state you are stealing property. Someone spent a considerable amount of time preparing the article you are stealing. No different than the time you would spend on one of your own projects. If you don’t want to spend the $30 fine, there are plenty of other sources for information….ask Martin how he would feel if someone started stealing content from this site and repurposing it for their own use. Your stance is morally wrong regardless of whether you get caught or not.

Oh…and don’t be to sure about not getting caught. Email records are getting brought into court everyday.

How about we simply share the items that we can honestly lay claim?

-- Bob, Carver Massachusetts, Sawdust Maker http://www.capecodbaychallenge.org

Good point

-- http://ye-olde-cabinet-shoppe.com/

it surprises me, Obi, that you hate Wikipedia because they are trying to accomplish exactly what you believe in—the sharing of knowledge without the copyright issues.

It’s a great concept and the way of the future. We just have to get through the initial phases of the trial and errors.

-- ~ Debbie, Canada (http://www.execulink.com/~yohan)

Who said I hated Wikipedia… Just because they fail to acknowledge the existance of Marc Spagnuolo… it shows the limitsd to their sources.

And bottom line is this… if it gets on the internet and I can aquire it for free then I’m going to. And if y’all think I’m stealing, think what you want.

Somebody put it there. If anyone is stealing, it’s whoever gave it away in the first place.

If you fail to lock your doors, and you get robbed, there usually isn’t much that the police can or will do. I didn’t break into your anything. I looked and there it was right out there for the entire planet to access. It wasn’t on private property. Somebody said “Here, download this, but don’t sell it.”

I’ve watched the music Indusrty cry over losing billions of dollars instead of trying to figure out how to to get their share of the pie.

-- http://ye-olde-cabinet-shoppe.com/

I hope I didn’t come off as a jerk. It’s one thing to share something you’ve seen with a friend who shares the same interest. In fact I would think that publishers like FWW would encourage it if it was simply occasional (they would likely get a new customer of the friend once he/she understood the quality of the content). It’s when it gets organized ie: Napster, that it gets sticky. I think FWW would frown upon users of this forum sharing their intellectual property in any sort of organized way.

I think they offer a trial subscription to the web version of the magazine. I’d be surprised to find any woodworker that has seen the collection of knowledge residing there and think that it wasn’t worth the money.

I need to expose my own bias on this. FWW has asked me to host a blog for Sketchup tutorials, and yes they will be compensating me. The good thing is that I will be able to post them here as well. The videos will be hosted on youtube or something similar and will start with “Brought to you by FWW”. They get some gorilla marketing for the site and I can still share them. Best of both worlds.

I never started out doing the tutorials with any idea of making $. FWW saw the response to the tutorials I was posting in the forum and approached me. That isn’t what influenced my position though. I made my daughter delete all the music she had downloaded off Napster long before anyone was getting dragged into court. She needed to understand that for musicians to produce the Music she enjoys there has to be an incentive. That is the way the world works. TANSTAAFL. My pending relationship with FWW did make your post stand out though.

I still feel like maybe I came off sounding like a jerk so maybe some background is in order. If FWW had wanted an exclusive on the content I would have agreed, and here is the reason. 4 years ago I was diagnosed with a brain tumor. Not cancerous, but serious enough to have radiation treatments to kill it. The end result is that often times I get severe headaches and dizziness and can’t drive. No driving = difficulty working. The company I work for asked me to reduce my hours to 24/wk at the end of last year (supposedly not related but….). They have been good enough to make it possible for me to work those hours in whatever fashion I can so that I can get in there when my head is straight and they still pay my benefits so I suppose I shouldn’t complain. However, this leaves me with a cash shortfall that I am scrambling for ways to make up.

The FWW offer is something I can’t pass up. Not that the money is likely to be all that significant (final details have yet to be arranged but so fair it is described as a small stipend), but with the afore mentioned youngest daughter still in college, every little bit helps. My interest in woodworking was never meant to make a $. But under the circumstances I won’t turn it away either.

Anyway, I apologize if I offended anybody. I’m still a newbie here and hope to build friendly relationships with all.

-- Bob, Carver Massachusetts, Sawdust Maker http://www.capecodbaychallenge.org

Treefarmer,

I don’t think you offended anyone. If you did, don’t worry about it. My up most belief is that people should obey the law even though we may not always agree with the law. I feel that you were speaking up mainly to protect Obi and others from getting into trouble.

It is great that FWW and other publicists view this site and in turn, offer opportunities to our guild which you yourself are able to prosper from. The Greene and Greene table is another fine example. It wouldn’t be good if these magazines would be scared away because a few people wanted to skew copyright laws in their favor.

-- There are three types of people in the world, those who can count and those who can't!

For the Thorsen Greene and Greene side table. I asked Popular Woodworking for 1) a copy of the article in a PDF file and 2) the ability to distribute it for the purposes of this challenge. If I were to sell it, then I’m wrong. They have given a limited use for this challenge. PW is seeing this as a way to get additional subscriptions, and not as a loss of money.

But I’ve sent to Mark DeCou a copy of an article on moisture meters because we were discussing them and they might end up in a blog at some point. Referring to the article.

-- What happens in the workshop stays in the workshop. No wait that doesn't sound right. Karson Southern Delaware karson_morrison@bigfoot.com †

That’s what i was talking about Karson. Someone is working on a project and can’t seem to figure it out… I can’t speak for anyone else but for me, a picture is worth more than a 1000 words. When you were discussing the glue/dowel/fastener thing on the table (which I will address in a minute) I was still lost. Show me a picture to look at, tilt my head at, and figure out how it applies.

Oh, maybe I forgot to tell everybody, I don’t know how to read.

-- http://ye-olde-cabinet-shoppe.com/

Obi,
I mentioned that FWW offered a 3 month free trial of their service. Did you ever take this free offer ?

-- -** You are never to old to set another goal or to dream a new dream ****************** Dick, & Barb Cain, Hibbing, MN. http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/gallery/member.php?uid=3627&protype=1

Quote Obi: I know that whoever let me read it for free has no way of knowing if I e-mail it to a friend or not.

Catch me if you can.

Obi, not that it matters enough to be concerned in the terms of this discussion, but every email generated has information in its “header” that indicates its journey from inception. You don’t see this in your emails because it can get lengthy and most mail apps don’t display it by default. If for some reason any content you forwarded to a friend was involved in an infringement suit, this is where ‘they’ would likely look to determine the origination.

I share this as a “got your back” comment and not an “I told you so.”

This said, we are all probably small fish that the copyright police would not care about. But, Ethan has substantiated the point (at least as far as FWW is concerned) and we owe it to Martin to not put anything at risk (if you were to say, share something with a fellow LJ via a PM who did not have access to an article.) As long as permission is sought and received as is the case with Karson and PW for the Thorsen contest, good will continues and all prosper.

-- Jeff, St. Paul, MN

I looked at the link, DIck, but there was some sort of “catch”.

Caliper, I know all about headers, and I can view mine if i want to, but like you said it takes up too much space. But here’s my point. Say you and I are talking about building a table, and there’s an article that you read in a magazine, and you send it to me. You and i are the only ones that are going to know about it. Popular Woodworking isn’t going to monitor your computer to make sure that you don’t send me the article.

You know what? I was trying to learn something that was mentioned by a fellow Lumberjock. And Fine woodworking is mentioned on a regular basis and I never get to see them because I don’t subscribe.

I really think I’ve had enough. I was fine before i started coming here, and I’ll be fine when I’m finished.

And I’m feeling like I’m just about finished.

-- http://ye-olde-cabinet-shoppe.com/

Before ya go, thanks for the help Obi. I did appreciate your wisdom. Its really not my place to say much, but I think that as this site gets bigger, more problems and conflicts are on the way. Sometimes bigger isn’t better.

Obi
I don’t beleive there’s a _”catch”, _you don’t have to give your credit card number, & you can quit after three months.
I think that FWW is a great tool to have at your side.

-- -** You are never to old to set another goal or to dream a new dream ****************** Dick, & Barb Cain, Hibbing, MN. http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/gallery/member.php?uid=3627&protype=1

So is anyone trying to contact Obi and ask him not to leave? I’d hate to lose his input because of this silly little thread. I know I always enjoyed his sarcasm and “tell it as I see it” approach. If he’s really gone then he wil be missed.

-- JP, Shelbyville, KY

I could be wrong but I’m sure that he is still around. I’ll send him a message just to make sure.

-- ~ Debbie, Canada (http://www.execulink.com/~yohan)

Obi, get your butt back in here. Ya gotta have a lot thicker skin than this to be a woodworker, let alone a Lumberjock. We miss you!

-- Better to say nothing and be thought the fool... then to speak and erase all doubt.

I was outta town, And spent all day today building cabinets. I’ve not left

-- http://ye-olde-cabinet-shoppe.com/

Glad to see you back. Did you find a new shop?

-- What happens in the workshop stays in the workshop. No wait that doesn't sound right. Karson Southern Delaware karson_morrison@bigfoot.com †

Not yet Karson, but I was looking.

-- http://ye-olde-cabinet-shoppe.com/

What size are you looking for. Or just what is available!

-- What happens in the workshop stays in the workshop. No wait that doesn't sound right. Karson Southern Delaware karson_morrison@bigfoot.com †

800-1200 sq ft

-- http://ye-olde-cabinet-shoppe.com/

Good luck in finding something that might also allow a visible storefront. Our prayers are with you.

I assume with the divorce going on the brother-in-laws shop is also going with it.

-- What happens in the workshop stays in the workshop. No wait that doesn't sound right. Karson Southern Delaware karson_morrison@bigfoot.com †

Nope… Brother-in-law is Pastor first, friend second and brother-in-law third…

-- http://ye-olde-cabinet-shoppe.com/

Great.

-- What happens in the workshop stays in the workshop. No wait that doesn't sound right. Karson Southern Delaware karson_morrison@bigfoot.com †