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Drew1House

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#1 posted 04-02-2007 06:06 PM

I am not sure that is OK Obi… I would and will if they are OK with it… I would suggest that you sign up for the site… for those of us who are somewhat new to this without stacks of their publication being able to have access to all the articles and projects from the past is worth the money.

Drew

-- Drew, Pleasant Grove, Utah

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Bob Babcock

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#2 posted 04-02-2007 06:11 PM

I think you need to be careful doing that Michael. It is all copyrighted content. You could find yourself in deep water for sharing files. Lots of people getting sued for that these days. Not to mention the fact that it’s not fair to those who are creating the content either.

IMNSHO

-- Bob, Carver Massachusetts, Sawdust Maker http://www.capecodbaychallenge.org

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Obi

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#3 posted 04-02-2007 06:16 PM

Never Mind

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#4 posted 04-02-2007 06:25 PM

I agree with Drew as well. I initially signed up to get access to Brian Boggs shave horse plans (great design). Having access to all the past magazines is extaordinary. An enormous wealth of knowledge. I have downloaded almost every PDF article they have (thank you to my very fast cable connection). Which is fine since I’m not planning on sharing it. It’s actually easiier to just to use the site and search for the content you want anyway.

LOL…I just saw your response… We know your heart is in the right place. :)

-- Bob, Carver Massachusetts, Sawdust Maker http://www.capecodbaychallenge.org

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#5 posted 04-02-2007 06:32 PM

so let’s adapt the idea.

What’s the goal? To access people’s knowledge base.
I think we share pretty well here but there’s always new avenues that haven’t been though of before.
Dick is really good at heading us to the online magazine if we want a certain article. We can then choose to sign up or not.

Are there other ways that we can expand supports available here -without crossing any taboo lines of course.

I’ll have to get my thinking cap on this one!

-- ~ Debbie, Canada (https://www.facebook.com/DebbiePribeleENJOConsultant)

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Dick, & Barb Cain

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#6 posted 04-02-2007 06:49 PM

I have copied & pasted an article, & sent it to one individual. I don’t think that is exploiting a copyright. This way it’s not going out to the whole world.
Does anyone have any input about doing it this way?

-- -** You are never to old to set another goal or to dream a new dream ****************** Dick, & Barb Cain, Hibbing, MN. http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/gallery/member.php?uid=3627&protype=1

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Ethan Sincox

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#7 posted 04-02-2007 08:17 PM

Opinion doesn’t carry much weight in the legal system. Let’s look at fact, instead. I don’t think Taunton wouldl mind if I copy and paste their Copyright Policy here:

Copyright Notice

This Service (including, but not limited to text, content, photographs, video and audio) is protected by copyright as a collective work or compilation under U.S. copyright and other laws. You must abide by all additional copyright notices or restrictions contained in this Service.

You may create Web links to any URL on taunton.com, including articles.

YOU MAY NOT COPY, REPRODUCE, DISTRIBUTE, PUBLISH, DISPLAY, PERFORM, MODIFY, CREATE DERIVATIVE WORKS, TRANSMIT, OR IN ANY WAY EXPLOIT ANY PART OF THIS SERVICE, EXCEPT THAT YOU MAY DOWNLOAD MATERIAL FROM THIS SERVICE FOR YOUR OWN PERSONAL, NONCOMMERCIAL USE AS FOLLOWS: YOU MAY MAKE ONE MACHINE READABLE COPY AND/OR ONE PRINT COPY THAT IS LIMITED TO OCCASIONAL ARTICLES OF PERSONAL INTEREST ONLY.

WITHOUT LIMITING THE GENERALITY OF THE FOREGOING, YOU MAY NOT DISTRIBUTE ANY PART OF THIS SERVICE OVER ANY NETWORK, INCLUDING A LOCAL AREA NETWORK, NOR SELL NOR OFFER IT FOR SALE. IN ADDITION, THESE FILES MAY NOT BE USED TO CONSTRUCT ANY KIND OF DATABASE.

I don’t know about you, but that sounds pretty clear to me.

-- Ethan, http://thekiltedwoodworker.com

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Dick, & Barb Cain

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#8 posted 04-02-2007 08:53 PM

Thanks Ethan
That’s what I wanted to know.

-- -** You are never to old to set another goal or to dream a new dream ****************** Dick, & Barb Cain, Hibbing, MN. http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/gallery/member.php?uid=3627&protype=1

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Obi

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#9 posted 04-02-2007 08:58 PM

Well I guess this is where the rebel in me starts to come out.
If I accessed it online and could save it to my computer then I will share it to whomever I want. If it helps someone else grow mentally, spiritually or any other way, I have no qualms about giving it away.

I know that whoever let me read it for free has no way of knowing if I e-mail it to a friend or not.

Catch me if you can.

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Bob Babcock

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#10 posted 04-02-2007 09:35 PM

I’m not trying to be nasty or start an argument here, just making a point.

How about I come into your shop and take a project you have been working on and give it to a friend. Regardless of your rebel state you are stealing property. Someone spent a considerable amount of time preparing the article you are stealing. No different than the time you would spend on one of your own projects. If you don’t want to spend the $30 fine, there are plenty of other sources for information….ask Martin how he would feel if someone started stealing content from this site and repurposing it for their own use. Your stance is morally wrong regardless of whether you get caught or not.

Oh…and don’t be to sure about not getting caught. Email records are getting brought into court everyday.

How about we simply share the items that we can honestly lay claim?

-- Bob, Carver Massachusetts, Sawdust Maker http://www.capecodbaychallenge.org

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#11 posted 04-02-2007 10:05 PM

Good point

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#12 posted 04-02-2007 10:12 PM

it surprises me, Obi, that you hate Wikipedia because they are trying to accomplish exactly what you believe in—the sharing of knowledge without the copyright issues.

It’s a great concept and the way of the future. We just have to get through the initial phases of the trial and errors.

-- ~ Debbie, Canada (https://www.facebook.com/DebbiePribeleENJOConsultant)

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Obi

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#13 posted 04-03-2007 12:15 AM

Who said I hated Wikipedia… Just because they fail to acknowledge the existance of Marc Spagnuolo… it shows the limitsd to their sources.

And bottom line is this… if it gets on the internet and I can aquire it for free then I’m going to. And if y’all think I’m stealing, think what you want.

Somebody put it there. If anyone is stealing, it’s whoever gave it away in the first place.

If you fail to lock your doors, and you get robbed, there usually isn’t much that the police can or will do. I didn’t break into your anything. I looked and there it was right out there for the entire planet to access. It wasn’t on private property. Somebody said “Here, download this, but don’t sell it.”

I’ve watched the music Indusrty cry over losing billions of dollars instead of trying to figure out how to to get their share of the pie.

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Bob Babcock

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#14 posted 04-03-2007 12:53 AM

I hope I didn’t come off as a jerk. It’s one thing to share something you’ve seen with a friend who shares the same interest. In fact I would think that publishers like FWW would encourage it if it was simply occasional (they would likely get a new customer of the friend once he/she understood the quality of the content). It’s when it gets organized ie: Napster, that it gets sticky. I think FWW would frown upon users of this forum sharing their intellectual property in any sort of organized way.

I think they offer a trial subscription to the web version of the magazine. I’d be surprised to find any woodworker that has seen the collection of knowledge residing there and think that it wasn’t worth the money.

I need to expose my own bias on this. FWW has asked me to host a blog for Sketchup tutorials, and yes they will be compensating me. The good thing is that I will be able to post them here as well. The videos will be hosted on youtube or something similar and will start with “Brought to you by FWW”. They get some gorilla marketing for the site and I can still share them. Best of both worlds.

I never started out doing the tutorials with any idea of making $. FWW saw the response to the tutorials I was posting in the forum and approached me. That isn’t what influenced my position though. I made my daughter delete all the music she had downloaded off Napster long before anyone was getting dragged into court. She needed to understand that for musicians to produce the Music she enjoys there has to be an incentive. That is the way the world works. TANSTAAFL. My pending relationship with FWW did make your post stand out though.

I still feel like maybe I came off sounding like a jerk so maybe some background is in order. If FWW had wanted an exclusive on the content I would have agreed, and here is the reason. 4 years ago I was diagnosed with a brain tumor. Not cancerous, but serious enough to have radiation treatments to kill it. The end result is that often times I get severe headaches and dizziness and can’t drive. No driving = difficulty working. The company I work for asked me to reduce my hours to 24/wk at the end of last year (supposedly not related but….). They have been good enough to make it possible for me to work those hours in whatever fashion I can so that I can get in there when my head is straight and they still pay my benefits so I suppose I shouldn’t complain. However, this leaves me with a cash shortfall that I am scrambling for ways to make up.

The FWW offer is something I can’t pass up. Not that the money is likely to be all that significant (final details have yet to be arranged but so fair it is described as a small stipend), but with the afore mentioned youngest daughter still in college, every little bit helps. My interest in woodworking was never meant to make a $. But under the circumstances I won’t turn it away either.

Anyway, I apologize if I offended anybody. I’m still a newbie here and hope to build friendly relationships with all.

-- Bob, Carver Massachusetts, Sawdust Maker http://www.capecodbaychallenge.org

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BassBully

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#15 posted 04-03-2007 04:05 AM

Treefarmer,

I don’t think you offended anyone. If you did, don’t worry about it. My up most belief is that people should obey the law even though we may not always agree with the law. I feel that you were speaking up mainly to protect Obi and others from getting into trouble.

It is great that FWW and other publicists view this site and in turn, offer opportunities to our guild which you yourself are able to prosper from. The Greene and Greene table is another fine example. It wouldn’t be good if these magazines would be scared away because a few people wanted to skew copyright laws in their favor.

-- There are three types of people in the world, those who can count and those who can't!

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