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#1 posted 05-23-2013 11:51 AM
Yes and they watch all the new movies with the F ratings than watch a good nature show. The world is becoming warped!!
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#2 posted 05-23-2013 02:06 PM
Why are you going through kickstarter for this project rather than funding it yourself? Here’s how I see it:
That table saw, clamps, etc that you’re hoping to buy for these boxes will not be donated to the church when you’re done, right? I take it you plan on keeping those tools to create more projects afterwards (maybe for the church, maybe for yourself, or whomever). To me, this means that you’d like the public to buy your tools for you, and you’re justifying it by creating something for a good cause first. This seems a little silly. None of us here expected others to pay for this hobby for us, despite the fact that a lot of what gets made gets donated to churches, schools, towns, etc. Although I appreciate your desire to beautify your church, I will never see those boxes personally, and I find that my money can be donated to my own church just as easily as yours, where it will do just as much good as it would have had I given to you. Of course, I do wish you success in the project, and I agree with other commenters that your work is first-rate, but from where I am sitting it seems like you are asking us to fund your shop under the guise of doing good deeds. Just calling it as I see it.
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#3 posted 05-23-2013 02:22 PM
I’m also at a loss here as to what you’re trying to do, and Bailey’s comment is along the same lines of what I was thinking. However, you’re trying to make this out to be an issue about non-Christians being favored over Christians or something like that. I would rather donate my money towards charities or churches that are helping people in genuine need.
A different model would be to sell your pieces at craft shows or online or elsewhere, save the money for tools and materials, then build your bible boxes for your church members.
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#4 posted 05-23-2013 02:26 PM
Flawed business model. You have the skills, why can’t you create things and simply sell them?
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#5 posted 05-23-2013 06:17 PM
Thank you for taking a look at the project and just to clarify:
MrFid/Brandon- First off, I am not justifying anything just to fund my shop. I want to make these boxes for my church, as stated in the project forum. None of the money will be donated to the church. It will be used to make the boxes. If you read the pledge side of the page, you will see that you do receive compensation for the pledge. This is like taking orders and fulfilling them. I am not asking for someone to pay for my hooby or fund my shop.
poopiekat- I do make things and sale them. But for larger projects you need funding and this is what this site helps you do. Like I said before, it’s like fulfilling an order you have received.
#6 posted 05-23-2013 06:50 PM
I understand that your plan is to donate the boxes to the church rather than donating the cash. Why then are you not the one donating your own funds for this project? I also can’t figure out why you plan to buy a table saw etc with the Kickstarter money, which I still am under the assumption that you’ll be using for private use after your boxes are done. Are you going to be donating those pieces of equipment to the church after you’re done with the boxes? Somehow, it seems like you’ll be ending up with a free table saw from this deal, unless I misunderstand.
I also think you’ll have a hard time justifying the “compensation as fulfilling orders” analogy to most people. That’s not really how most Kickstarter projects frame their “compensations”.
#7 posted 05-23-2013 07:20 PM
Mrfid- If I had the funds to “donate” to this project, no I would not have started the project. The reason why I plan to buy a table saw is because a table saw is needed to complete this project. No, I will not be donating the table saw to the church when I am finished. It is not a free table saw because of the projects I will be making from it to compensate for the pledges.
Look through the Kickstarter website, people pledge all the time to be compensated with items that are made. It is like placing an order and receiving it at a later date. This site helps out people that want to start something but don’t have the funds.
#8 posted 05-24-2013 04:27 AM
Providing funding for certain individuals who want money from other members to fund their own aspirations is not really in the Lumberjocks mission. Nor should it be. You’ve been here 48 days…where did you get the idea we are all financially supporting each other? Try Facebook!
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