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Blog entry by LJCab posted 02-26-2009 06:58 PM 883 reads 0 times favorited 13 comments Add to Favorites Watch

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PurpLev

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#1 posted 02-26-2009 07:20 PM

Welcome aboard.

I did notice your projects titles, and to be honest – I found it to be a bit odd, not so much offensive (But I can see how others might have taken that) just odd- since if I want to search for anything by LJ Cabinetry, the LJ search option will do that for me- I don’t need it to be ‘seen’ in the titles for every project/blog/forum/etc. It can get a bit old in time ;)

Cheers

-- ㊍ When in doubt - There is no doubt - Go the safer route.

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Hacksaw

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#2 posted 02-26-2009 07:33 PM

I agree networking is where it is at.We do this all the time in my trade (electrician) the company I work for has several national accounts.To service these we have relationships with other shops in the areas we need.Sometimes it makes sense for us to travel to the remote location and do the job but most of the time a sub is just what the doctor ordered.In custom furniture close contact with the customer almost always results in 1.A happier customer 2.A better piece of furniture 3.the customer getting exactly what they want. I know that in certain instances a customer being too invloved can be a problem but that is the exception rather than the rule.I am new to LJ also so I don’t know if it exsists already but perhaps there could be a RFQ section where those looking for a “sub” could post project details and those looking for work could submit themselves for consideration.

-- Nothing's impossible...it just gets expensive

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Blake

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#3 posted 02-26-2009 08:17 PM

I read your comments twice to try to understand what your argument was. What I gathered is that I shouldn’t mind that you are using Lumberjocks directly to advertise your business because you might hire me someday.

I agree with you on one point but differ on another. Where I agree with you is that Lumberjocks is a forum for networking be it for business or pleasure. But as one of the more active members I do have to side with the emailer that the “by L J Cabinetry” heading is not only a little tacky, based on my experience with the general Lumberjock philosophy, but also inherently against the rules.

I sincerely welcome you to our forum, you obviously have a lot of talent and experience. But please just keep in mind that ”The goal of our online communities is to provide individuals with a place to share and discuss common interests and to form friendships with others from around the world” ...as stated in the posting rules which you would have had the opportunity to read before posting your projects. The posting rules also state: ”Don’t advertise your business or the business you are affiliated with.”

There are other more subtle ways to draw attention to your business on this site… the banner at the top of every project post just isn’t the place for it.

-- Happy woodworking! http://www.openarmsphotography.com

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Kindlingmaker

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#4 posted 02-26-2009 08:21 PM

Though I do not make a living, nor can I at woodworking, (unless you want hand carved toothpicks), I like the idea of “Hacksaw”. This may keep topics a bit more separated and give those that have several postings of how bad the economy is a place to possibly find a solution to their problem or needs.

-- Never board, always knotty, lots of growth rings

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Blake

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#5 posted 02-26-2009 08:25 PM

By the way, your “Entertainment Center via Chippendale” looks amazing.

But I was especially turned off by the clearly commercial post: “by LJ Cabinet , Mahogany exterior cornice Georgian style” with its “ENDLESS POSSIBILITIES” banner across the middle. Thats really not what this website is about. Thats what YOUR website is for.

-- Happy woodworking! http://www.openarmsphotography.com

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LJCab

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#6 posted 02-26-2009 08:45 PM

Further explain of business name on opening line
Don’t use initials in your name if you have a choice. Why? Here is an example for using my business name as a study example.
If your name is L J Cabinetry, some search engines won’t find you if you search LJ Cabinetry with the letters not separated by a space. Another case in point, a search engine will find you under cabinetry but not cabinet. This scenario goes on and on. So you have to use various name/space combinations to get high placement. By the way, how a local material supplier finds your account on their computer can also stem from the same problem. If they enter L. J. with periods or spaces, you won’t be found if you were entered in their system under LJ.
Search engines pull much ranking information from the tag line, “first line,” of the article, blog, business name etc. This is why my company name & what I do, cabinet or cabinetry are the openers to a project.

From what I have noticed about web pages & search engines, your company name can be key to high-ranking search engine placement.

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Blake

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#7 posted 02-26-2009 09:04 PM

...I think you might be missing the point…

-- Happy woodworking! http://www.openarmsphotography.com

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LJCab

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#8 posted 02-26-2009 09:34 PM

Hey! Guys took off the by L J cabinet stuff of the opening line. Hope everyone is now soothed.
Blake, notice your business website on the blog reply above. Should that be eliminated also?
Now more to the point of starting the blog. If woodworkers network together we all win.
LJCab

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PurpLev

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#9 posted 02-26-2009 09:35 PM

I think the point here is not whether a search engine will find your L.J.Cabinetry projects on lumberjocks.com or not. but the fact that a person/potential client/ business-pupose-person-looking-for-you that might use a search engine to find your work, should be directed (aka – search engine results) to YOUR website, where YOU as a business person show off your work to potential clients/partners/others, and not be directed to Lumberjocks which is a woodworkers forum based site and a non commercial source for woodworkers.

that aside… networking is a great thing, it introduces you to others with a common goal, and you get to know each other better to develop a better understanding on how to work together when needed.

-- ㊍ When in doubt - There is no doubt - Go the safer route.

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TopamaxSurvivor

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#10 posted 02-26-2009 09:53 PM

Welcome aboard John. You have posted some fantastic projects. No matter what or how you do anything, someone will be able to find a fault or be offended. The moderator will let you know if you are in violation of the site policies. Carry on!!

-- "some old things are lovely, warm still with life ... of the forgotten men who made them." - D.H. Lawrence

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LJCab

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#11 posted 02-26-2009 10:17 PM

Thank’s topmaxsurvivor
I’ll be posting some more projects, later under an assumed name. Hope you all enjoy! All business references are gone.
PS Why not network with your, fellow woodworkers?
This is a question I have asked myself for 4 decades.
LJCab

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Blake

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#12 posted 02-26-2009 11:05 PM

...So you noticed what I was talking about when I said “there are other more subtle ways to draw attention to your business on this site… the banner at the top of every project post just isn’t the place for it.”

Networking is great, but it is different than advertising. That’s all we are saying. Like I said before, welcome aboard. I would like to know more about what you do (without the sales pitch) because the work looks incredible.

Please keep posting. You don’t have to change your name.

-- Happy woodworking! http://www.openarmsphotography.com

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pommy

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#13 posted 02-26-2009 11:44 PM

LJcab as a non business woodworker i do it for the love of working with wood i use this site to further my education i understand what blake is trying to say ,Yes in our troubled times we need to get work but this is not a business site it is for people with a commom interest and as you pointed out that blake is advertising by puting his web site under his remarks but it is our choice to look at his work or not and he does not sales pitch
and as blake says your work is stunning and i think you would make a great addision the LJ’s

andy

-- cut it saw it scrap it SKPE: ANDREW.CARTER69

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