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Box Building #5: Barrel Hinge Installation

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Blog entry by Kent Shepherd posted 03-22-2012 09:50 PM 11741 reads 28 times favorited 21 comments Add to Favorites Watch
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After showing some of my boxes in “Projects”. I have received some inquiries about the installation of the barrel hinges I sometimes use. I hope this helps for some of you. I know it will be overkill for many of you, so just use what you wish.

With any type hinge, the layout is critical. These hinges are simple to install, but you must get your holes in the right place. If you don’t, I can assure you , you will not like the results, and you will not be able to go back and fix it—at least not pratically.

This is how to do a box that has the lid flush with the back on the back side.I find it easier to clamp the base to the lid and mark them at the same time. Make sure the pieces line up perfectly at each end. The lid was cut from the base, so everything is the exact size. If you are doing a different style box, you will have to adjust this step.

After deciding the placement of your hinges, mark top and base with a square. A making knife will give a much cleaner line. This will help with the drill press set-up.


On a drill press with a fence, set the position of the fence to the desired distance from the back of the box.
My box has a beveled edge so the hole has to fall in front of that. You will have to figure out what works for you. Centered is a good starting place, but may not always work. I use a brad point bit which makes it easier to line the bit up with my knife mark. The bit naturally falls into the knife mark.

Most drill press have a depth stop. After measuring the length I use that measurment to set the stop on the drill press. Bring the bit down to the box and press the point into the surface. Lock the quill down, the set your stop. I set it a little shallow, check the depth with a depth gauge, and sneak up on it. The depth can be a liitle too deep on these hinges if you like, but will create problems if the are not deep enough. Carfully line up the bit to the mark and drill. You will obviously have to reset after doing either the top or the bottom. It really doesn’t matter which you do first.




Insert the hinges. I find they tend to be tight. I notched the end of a dowel to go over the arms of the hinge. Then you can use a small mallet to tap them in. Make the hinge flush with the box side. If you want a bit of clearance between the top and bottom, you can leave the hinge a little proud.




When you are satisfied with the depth of your hinges, tighten the set screws and you are done.


If you have any questions—Ask Charlies Neil! (Just kidding—I would be happy to confuse you further)

-- She thought I hung the moon--now she just thinks I did it wrong



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Woodenwizard

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#1 posted 03-22-2012 10:09 PM

Very informative. I picked up a couple tips. Thanks

-- John, Colorado's (Wooden Wizard)

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rustynails

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#2 posted 03-22-2012 10:13 PM

Kent,
First off that’s for the blog. It’s great that you took the time to document it.

What brand hinge are you using and what size diameter do you use for the different widths of wood? Also are you saying its best to get closer to the back edge of the wood? Is a beveled edge necessary with this type of hinge or can you use them on a square edge as well?

I can tell you follow Charlies Neill with your “sneak up on it” statement. He’s a great teacher that’s for sure. I have a few of his DVD’s. .

Thanks Richard

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#3 posted 03-22-2012 10:19 PM

Richard, I used 10mm hinges for 5/8” thick sides. The hinges are Soss.
I have used 12mm for 3/4” sides.

The beveled edge is not needed for these hinges. I just like to use it on my boxes.
I wouldn’t get too close to the back edge. It could split out easier.

-- She thought I hung the moon--now she just thinks I did it wrong

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#4 posted 03-22-2012 10:41 PM

Thanks for this Kent. I put it in my favorites it for future reference. I haven’t tried this type of hinge before, but the do look very nice and a lot classier than regular hinges. Your method seems very good. Hinges are always deceptively easy in principal, but a lot more difficult to install properly in practice.

-- Mike, an American living in Norway.

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#5 posted 03-22-2012 11:16 PM

Thanks Kent, great little blog and good info !
Might try these someday….. do you have a good source? $$$$

-- Gene, Majestic Eagle Woodworks, http://majesticeagleww.etsy.com/, http://www.flickr.com/photos/majesticeagle/

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#6 posted 03-22-2012 11:35 PM

That is a HUGE help, Kent!

Thank you very much!

Such clean Simple way of doing it!

COOL!

-- Have Fun! Joe Lyddon - Alta Loma, CA USA - Home: http://www.WoodworkStuff.net ... My Small Gallery: http://www.ncwoodworker.net/pp/showgallery.php?ppuser=1389&cat=500"

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#7 posted 03-22-2012 11:59 PM

Thanks for the info. When I finally attempt to step up the quality of my boxes this would be a good improvement over the cheap brass hinges.

-- Robert, so much inspiration here, and so little time!

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#8 posted 03-23-2012 01:45 PM

Nice looking box!

-- CJIII Future cabinetmaker

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#9 posted 03-23-2012 04:23 PM

Richard, I just thought about my answer on the beveled edge. You may actually need it. I don’t know for sure if the hinge swings up enough to clear without it. It might, but you would have to play with it.

-- She thought I hung the moon--now she just thinks I did it wrong

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#10 posted 03-23-2012 04:43 PM

Good point…

Play with it as a Stop from going Back & Over too far… only enough to hold it at a comfortable Open position.

Yes / No?

-- Have Fun! Joe Lyddon - Alta Loma, CA USA - Home: http://www.WoodworkStuff.net ... My Small Gallery: http://www.ncwoodworker.net/pp/showgallery.php?ppuser=1389&cat=500"

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#11 posted 03-23-2012 06:48 PM

These hinges are simple to install, but you must get your holes in the right place. If you don’t, I can assure you , you will not like the results

That is so true. I didn’t use a brad point bit and the grain caused the bit to walk just a bit. End result = lid that wasn’t parallel to the box and really looked bad. Luckily it was a box that I was testing techniques with.

SOSS has the drawings available in PDF format at: http://www.soss.com/product/cad/
BH104 is 10mm barrel and BH124 is 12mm barrel hinge.

Kent – SOSS drawings have a 2.5mm and 3.5mm gap shown between the lid and box when open, which I assume would also be when drilling the barrel holes. Did you use the gaps like the drawings?

Steve.

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Kent Shepherd

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#12 posted 03-23-2012 07:22 PM

Joe—Yes (I think)

Steve, If you knew me you would know I did not look at the directions, but in answer to your question, I have actually done it both ways. They probably do need a bit of clearance.

The brad point bit does make a lot of difference.

-- She thought I hung the moon--now she just thinks I did it wrong

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#13 posted 03-24-2012 08:42 PM

thanks kent, will give it a try.

-- RKWoods

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#14 posted 05-28-2013 10:56 AM

Hi Kent,

Do you have any hints or tricks to remove this type of hinge?

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Kent Shepherd

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#15 posted 05-28-2013 01:56 PM

Unfortunately I have not found an easy way to do that.

The one time I needed to, I destroyed the hinge getting it out.

-- She thought I hung the moon--now she just thinks I did it wrong

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