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Blog entry by Karson posted 2225 days ago 1239 reads 0 times favorited 19 comments Add to Favorites Watch

I just received an E-mail Newsletter from Fine Woodworking. They have a review of Lee’s Ezee-Feed.

All users give it a 5 except 1 person and he gave it a 2 and didn’t give any words as to why.

You might post your reviews if you’ve bought one.

Karson

-- I've been blessed with a father who liked to tinker in wood, and a wife who lets me tinker in wood. Southern Delaware karson_morrison@bigfoot.com †



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GaryK

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#1 posted 2225 days ago

I got the same e-mail Karson.

-- Gary - Never pass up the opportunity to make a mistake look like you planned it that way - Tyler, TX

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Bob A in NJ

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#2 posted 2225 days ago

Some of us were lucky enough to see the Ezee Feed at Lee’s shop last summer at the south NJ JL picnic. I was impressed with the design, construction, ease of installation but mostly how easy it made cutting sheets of plywood. I think it’s an excellent piece of equipment with a very good price/value ratio.

-- Bob A in NJ

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cajunpen

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#3 posted 2225 days ago

I saw that review also, and the first thing that popped into my head was a sense of pride – the Creator of the Ezee-Feed is one of us – a fellow LumberJock. I can’t imagine anyone with a commercial ship not having one of these. Lee I hope you sell a ton of them, I’ve told a everyone that I know that could possibly use one about your great invention.

-- Bill - "Suit yourself and let the rest be pleased." http://www.cajunpen.com/

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Lee A. Jesberger

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#4 posted 2224 days ago

Thank you guys!

I’ve been watching online at the ratings also. All fives I was aware of, and obviously I’m thrilled about that.

But a two?

Lee

-- by Lee A. Jesberger http://www.prowoodworkingtips.com http://www.ezee-feed.com

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Lee A. Jesberger

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#5 posted 2224 days ago

I just went back to the review page in Fine Woodworking.

As I been been in a small disagreement with a couple of people in the recent days, and these two poor ratings have shown up since then, (there is now a one as well), I suspect they may somehow be related to this.

It would seem if someone really felt it was that poor of a product, they would have returned it for a refund.

I seriously doubt Fine Woodworking would have published an article with a product / value rating of a one or two.

Lee

-- by Lee A. Jesberger http://www.prowoodworkingtips.com http://www.ezee-feed.com

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Peter Oxley

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#6 posted 2224 days ago

I don’t know about anyone else, but when someone gives a low rating with no explanation I tend to ignore them. It is unfortunate that someone would misrepresent the value/usefulness of an item to the whole woodworking community based on an unrelated disagreement with the maker of that item.

By the way – I’ve watched the demo video about a dozen times, and it’s on my list of “gotta have” items … I want to get over to Thos. Angle’s shop and see it in person.

-- http://www.peteroxley.com -- http://north40studios.etsy.com --

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rikkor

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#7 posted 2224 days ago

Well, I was glad to see it in the FWW e-mail. I can’t imagine a 1 or 2 with no explanation. I think you can discount them completely.

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Greg3G

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#8 posted 2224 days ago

Lee,

I was thrilled to see your product on the newsletter. I too find it petty for someone to give something a poor rating without explaination. I think you and your invention deserve all the recognition you can get. I will be replacing my table saw very soon and the system in on my to buy list…probably early next year due to other issues. I hope the additional exposure helps lead to more sales.

-- Greg - Charles Town, WV

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Bob #2

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#9 posted 2224 days ago

Well, here’s the explanation:

I would appreciate it if you could check all the resoursces here and the facts before you respond to my voluntary assessment of the Ezee-Feed.

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http://lumberjocks.com/jocks/OKALBERT/blog/2828#comment-136677

This all started above when Lee Jesberger threatened to sue OKALBERT for posting what Lee believes is a “knock off” of his plywood racker/slider/tablesaw feeder.

I posted the comment that perhaps these two should settle their differences privately and not inflame an already awkward situation that was unfolding with a poster calling himself woodchuck1957 or similar.

I thought we all had a pretty good romp here at Martins site and I was attempting to mediate a potential negative situation.

Lee had already jumped into his “lawyer suit” and was threatening a lawsuit for patent infringement.
I did not feel the need to challenge him with the fact that anybody can build any legal thing in the U.S. as long as they don’t council to sell it or sell it outright.

I just wanted them to settle off the view of the forum.

I was immediately challenged by Lee Jesberger who was obviously annoyed that I had posted and expressed the opinion that I had no right to an opinion. *

He went on to get even meaner than that but never mind.

So let’s cut to the chase:

I’m a subscriber to Finewoodworking as are many other people and today I recieved my updated info along with the request to rate Lee’s jig.

I had refrained from critiquing it on Lj’s because my observations and conclusions were quite a bit different from the accolades he was recieving from his pals and acquaintances at LJ’s.

Now that I had felt his wrath I felt no obilgation on Finewoodworking to assess his device any better or worse than any other manufacturer’s product.

Here it is:

Of 5 stars available:

Take 1 away because the price of the combination is, to my mind, far in excess of the actual fabrication costs and a reasonable profit for the seller.

Take 1 away for the fact the the unit does not handle full sheets correctly according to the write up that accompanies the request or rating. (The magazines assessment-Roland Johnson)

””On the downside, the outfeed table only has enough rollers to adequately support one offcut, not both. So if I centered the table with the sawblade, only one row of closely spaced rollers was given the task of supporting each offcut. If I offset the table to one side or the other, then I was supporting only one part of the offcut. Ideally, I’d want two outfeed tables, side by side. But if you already have a wide outfeed table, the infeed extension would be an excellent option for those times you are handling large sheets”“

Take 1 more away for the extremely negative and unprofessional attitude displayed to me and OKALBERT on the LJ website and you have a total score of 2.*

There you have “but a two” Lee.

Bob

-- A mind, like a home, is furnished by its owner

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Lee A. Jesberger

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#10 posted 2222 days ago

Here is a copy of a pm I sent to BOB2 prior to reading this post. As for his rating of my product, I’m surprised he rated it that highly.

On the post below is a copy of a pm sent to OKALBERT, also sent prior to seeing this.

Hi Bob;

I owe you an apology on several counts, and I do apologize.

I would have been far wiser to have sent an email, as you suggested.

You are absolutely right in that I reacted very poorly to seeing that post.

Normally my feelings / emotions don’t control my mind, or mouth, but in this case we both

know that wasn’t the case.

It’s been bothering me for the past few days, that I responded to you as I did, which you

certainly did not deserve.

Now that a few days have passed, and my initial feelings have become somewhat more

rational, as opposed to emotional, I clearly see your solution was best.

I do want you to know that I feel bad about it.

I hope you are willing to forgive my poor behavior.

Lee
p.s. The last project you posted, the segmented bowl, is quite a work of art, It is beautiful, both in design ad execution. I don’t know how I missed this earlier.

-- by Lee A. Jesberger http://www.prowoodworkingtips.com http://www.ezee-feed.com

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Lee A. Jesberger

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#11 posted 2222 days ago

Hi OkALBERT;

I want to apologize to you for reacting with emotions as I did, instead of waiting until I was thinking a little more clearly.

I don’t blame you for being angry with my post. If you’ll give me a minute, I’ll try to explain why I got nuts.

My reaction came from a guy who has risked his entire financial well being, including my house, cars, credit, everything. The last few years have been very difficult.

When I came across your posting, I saw a person giving away a design that
is very similar to mine and your verbal blogging of it which sounded considerably like my website. Admitting you got the idea from the commercial version and adding a link to my site really pushed me over the edge.

You are correct in that you weren’t selling the plans, or giving them away, so you felt no harm had been done.

From my point of view, you were showing the world how and why to build one, as well as a link to the commercial version, if they get stuck on what it should look like. You also pointed out a problem with yours and wondered if the commercial version had the same problem.

I did send a link to my attorney of your post, after posting my response on the blog. He emailed me back in the morning that it was clearly a patent infringement. I have no interest in going there.

I also want to ask you to reconsider quitting this site, as it is a very good place for us all to learn. I’m sure you can provide information we can all learn from, and it would be ashame for you not to, due to my poor behavior

I agree there’s been a change in the family feeling found here only a few months ago, but still it is a good site. I think the negativity is just some growing pains, and we’ll get past that.

Again; I’m sorry.

Lee

-- by Lee A. Jesberger http://www.prowoodworkingtips.com http://www.ezee-feed.com

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Lee A. Jesberger

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#12 posted 2222 days ago

Response to Fine Woodworking’s Ezee-feed review.

First off prior to the disagreement, which is entirely my fault for reacting poorly to a situation where I felt I had been wronged, all of the ratings were 5 out of 5 stars.

When Fine Wood Working does a review, they do not ask questions as to it’s uses, or setup, or operation. As a matter of fact, I had no idea they were doing a review. All I knew is they requested two units with the possibility of doing a review. The reviewers are also limited on word count, so I’m fairly certain much detail was either edited out, or not included.

They do this in that they are able to review something based on the same conditions the buyer would be up against. Just the unit and the owners manual. The point of the one of the pieces falling on the floor, on the outfeed side, is a mistake on my part.

When I wrote the owners manual, I failed to point out to stop the cut prior to the piece passing the anti kick back pawls, which is how we do it. The anti kick back pawls hold both pieces in place while the saw is shut off, and then the operator can remove both pieces, one at a time without any danger, or falling parts.

As we find missed details in the manual, we add them to the next printing. It’s a work in progress.

We don’t do this in my shop, as we have a large cabinet built behind the saw which acts as an outfeed table, in addition to providing much needed drawer space. This is far better than my outfeed system, but is not always possible. That’s why we offer the outfeed system. We do use this method on our job site saw.

As for the price, any input on lowering the cost in producing them, I’m all ears. (other than made in China) I do charge less that advised by marketing professionals who base value / sales price on cost to manufacture, cost to promote, life span, and value to the purchaser, meaning how much help will the product provide the end user. My accountant, advises reducing the quality of the unit. Five year lifespan is what he recommends. Not gonna happen. These units will out last me for sure. With no problems.

Truth is it will be quite some time before I start to make a profit from this endeavor, and I’m certain everyone has their own opinion of what should be charged, based on who knows what.

All things considered, I would gladly buy this product.

As one of my sub contractors once told me; “I’m doing the best I can, with what I have to work with”

Thanks for taking the time to read this;

Lee

-- by Lee A. Jesberger http://www.prowoodworkingtips.com http://www.ezee-feed.com

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Bob #2

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#13 posted 2222 days ago

Lee, my apologies to you.

Had I followed my own advice and PM’d you we could probably have resolved about 99% of the damage caused by hasty remarks.

I learned another lesson here and I will try to gain from this experience.

Apologies to my fellow LJ’s for not keeping the high standards we are getting used to here.

Bob

-- A mind, like a home, is furnished by its owner

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Sawdust2

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#14 posted 2222 days ago

Folks, you have just seen a mediation.

That is one of the reasons people prefer them over law suits.

Lee

-- No piece is cut too short. It was meant for a smaller project.

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Lee A. Jesberger

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#15 posted 2221 days ago

Hey Sawdust2;

I look at it as our way of being properly introduced. (the mediation part)

Apparently, Bob is a sheep in wolves clothing. LOL

Once I became civil he was very easy to talk with.

And as he said, I too offer my apologies to my fellow LJ’s for not keeping the high standards we are getting used to here.

Lee

-- by Lee A. Jesberger http://www.prowoodworkingtips.com http://www.ezee-feed.com

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