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Grinder Sculpting #6: The Finish Begins

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After sanding and sanding and then sanding some more I have finally started to get a little finish on this thing. I have been trying to decide what to use and finally decided to use Minwax Tung Oil Finish. I have been using the polycrylic a lot lately and want to do something else. I have debated using it over the tung oil finish but I am a little worried. I am working on a sample piece and the tung oil will have time to fully dry while I work on it.

I figured I would show my sample piece also

I sanded it up the same way I did the box and then put a coat of tung oil on it with a clean rag.

Here is the same process with the box.

I love the way the tung oil makes that grain pop!!!!

In the next episode I will post the results of my sample and possible a finished box.

Any ideas or don’t do’s on the finish are most welcome.

Thanks,
Joey

-- JoeyG ~~~ http://www.facebook.com/JHGWoodWorks



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SPalm

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#1 posted 833 days ago

That has been my go to finish recently. I use Minwax Sanding Sealer first, but also works without it. I do three coats with a light sand after the first one. And wax at the end.

But I just got a buffer, and it really does the final wax with style. Major improvement.

Steve

-- -- I'm no rocket surgeon

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jaykaypur

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#2 posted 833 days ago

Looking good. Man oh man, that handle really popped out well. Great job!

-- Use it up, Wear it out --------------- Make it do, Or do without!

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JoeyG

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#3 posted 833 days ago

@ Steve. What kind of buffer did you get? I know they can get expensive. I was thinking about picking up a buffing wheel for my stationary grinder. I just wasn’t sure if it would work or not. One last question, what kind of wax do you use?

Thanks jaykaypur. I have to agree. I wasn’t completely sold on it until I put the finish on it. Now I love it. It is my favorite handle that I have done so far. I also figured out what I was going to name the box, but you will have to wait for the projects post for that.

-- JoeyG ~~~ http://www.facebook.com/JHGWoodWorks

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lanwater

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#4 posted 833 days ago

What a difference!

I have a can of tung oil and I never used it. I shall change that.

-- Abbas, Castro Valley, CA

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SPalm

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#5 posted 833 days ago

Hey Joey,
I should not be the one to asked about finishing. I feel very inadequate. That is why I have mostly used oils, they make the grain pop and are very forgiving. You can just keep applying coats, but I could never get the final coat just right. Tung Oil Finish is a bit different in that it has some kind of hard coat in it (poly or varnish?). Tung is one of the few oils that will actually dry hard, but this brand will do it overnight; pure Tung takes days to dry.

So… to get to your question; Beall wood buffing system is what I bought. Quite expensive around $70. But it is just fantastic. I have gone around the house taking my old projects and buffing them – I love it.

It contains three 8 inch (floppy and large!) wheels and a shaft extender. The wheels are each different materials, they need to run at 1750 rpm (a lot of grinders are faster), and you need space around it to move the workpiece. So not sure about the grinder option.

Best to watch a video on it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlnL2YVz7kQ

In the old days I had a classic hard cotton buffing wheel I would mount on the lathe and use for turned projects. It was ok, but hard to get anything like a box buffed. I have somehow lost it, so I bought the Beall. I use the motor on my Vdrum sander. Just pop off the pulley, mount the extender, and go.

Beall uses carnuba wax. It is hard.

From a guy who hates finishing, this is the ticket. It will show your sanding scratches – which keeps you honest – which I guess is a good thing.
Steve

-- -- I'm no rocket surgeon

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JoeyG

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#6 posted 833 days ago

@Ian It’s good stuff if you have the time to take with it.

@Steve, I ran a cabinet shop for about 15 years. It was a small high end custom shop and we did everything in house. At the most we would have 3-5 guys including myself and the owner. Needless to say I spent more than my fair share of time in the spray booth. If it’s lacquer I can work with it. I am not using lacquer in my home shop because I have kids and there are inherent dangers with lacquer and lacquer thinner so I try to keep things safe. That’s why I use the polycrylic so much. It’s more expensive but much safer to use.

As for the tung oil finish, A lot of my early projects on here are finished with it. I started using it before I had a sprayer and it’s so easy to use. Now I was thinking of combining the tung oil finish with the polycrylic over it. I am thinking that maybe several coats of the oil finish and then buffing it. I will spend a little time today researching them online. I thought the cost would be much higher. I was expecting a couple of hundred. Under $100 just might be do able. The other thought would be to just buy the buffing wheels and put them on my drill press.
One last request for you Steve, would you mind taking a picture of your set up and posting it here. Both for myself and anyone reading the blog.

Thanks
Joey

-- JoeyG ~~~ http://www.facebook.com/JHGWoodWorks

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mnpete

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#7 posted 833 days ago

Just read through the whole series. Great stuff! Thanks for sharing. I will be trying one of these in the near future.

-- Follow my woodworking adventures in The Second Wind Workshop, http://secondwindworkshop.blogspot.com/

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JoeyG

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#8 posted 833 days ago

Thanks mnpete, they are fun to make. I am sure I have said that a hundred times already but it sums up the entire project. Except for maybe the sanding. That can be a toss up depending on how I am feeling. I was able to let this one sit until I was in a sanding mood. I look forward to seeing what you come up with.

-- JoeyG ~~~ http://www.facebook.com/JHGWoodWorks

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SPalm

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#9 posted 832 days ago

VDrum mode:

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Beal Buffer Mode:

Steve

-- -- I'm no rocket surgeon

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JoeyG

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#10 posted 832 days ago

That’s a really cool set up, how does the vertical drum work. Where does the down pressure come from? If all that was about $70, I might see one in my not to distant future. Thanks for sharing with us Steve. I am sure you are getting some nice finishes out of it.

-- JoeyG ~~~ http://www.facebook.com/JHGWoodWorks

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SPalm

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#11 posted 832 days ago

The horizontal drum? It is a Vdrum sander. It works like an abrasive jointer. You apply human pressure. It has nothing to do with the buffer other than I am borrowing its motor. The $70 just buys the 3 buffer wheels, the 3 bars (tripoli, white diamond, wax), and the aluminum motor coupling.

Here is my build of the Vdrum. A lot of LJs have built one.
http://lumberjocks.com/projects/27147

Steve

-- -- I'm no rocket surgeon

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gfadvm

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#12 posted 832 days ago

Joey, That tung oil finish will turn out very nice and you can build it as thick as you have the patience for BUT be sure you get all the excess wiped/rubbed off before it gets gummy. Don’t ask how I learned this!

-- " I'll try to be nicer, if you'll try to be smarter" gfadvm

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JoeyG

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#13 posted 832 days ago

Thanks Steve, now it makes since. I need to make me one of those. I can see where it comes in handy in a lot of situations.

@ gfadvm, I have had that problem in the past. I was working on a small palm box in the Andy style and didn’t come back and wipe it down. I think I ended up using a card scraper to get the runs off and then sanding back down almost to bare wood. I remember I used a pile of sandpaper and some really colorful words.

Lesson learned, I always check back about every 5 mins until I am sure there will be no more runs.

-- JoeyG ~~~ http://www.facebook.com/JHGWoodWorks

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#14 posted 824 days ago

looks fantastic to me.

-- Roger from KY. Work/Play/Travel Safe. Kentuk55@bellsouth.net

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JoeyG

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#15 posted 824 days ago

Thanks Roger, welcome aboard. I am hoping to get the last couple of coats on it this week and get the final pictures up into the project section. I took a look at your projects. You have some really nice boxes yourself. I really like the wooden hinges. I plan to have a go at them sometime in the future. I hope they are not as difficult as they look.

Joey

-- JoeyG ~~~ http://www.facebook.com/JHGWoodWorks

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