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Tablesaw Choice #1: A saw that's right for me

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Blog entry by Grumpymike posted 03-05-2014 08:53 PM 1272 reads 0 times favorited 9 comments Add to Favorites Watch
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It’s time to upgrade my old Ridgid TS2424 contractor style table saw to a new cabinet saw. In this upgrade there A LOT of choices to be made.

I have investigated, among others the Baileigh, Jet, Grizzly, Powermatic, Delta, Shop Fox Sawstop, and General. Each has their claim to fame and features that are unique to the brand. But before deciding which shiny new saw is best suited for me, there are things to consider.

I know that I want a better fence system and a riving knife and a few other things like a hands free switch would be nice … So now I start looking in the catalogues.
There are a lot of power options to be considered. My shop has 110v and 220v (single phase) available at the panel. I would have to run a new line from the panel to the saw for 220v, nominal cost. ( 3 phase is found in commercial buildings)

Hybrid saws come in 1.5 to 2HP motor choices and will run on 110v. Some have an 110v/220v option as in the Grizzly G0715P hybrid that boasts a 2 HP motor that draws 16 amps at 110v and 8 amps at 220v. So I am leaning toward the 220v saws. They don’t seem to give any greater power to the blade but they do reduce power consumption.

The next step up is the Heavy duty or Commercial cabinet saw all of which are 220v (Some are 440v) and start out with a big 3 HP motor and graduate up to a whopping 5 HP, and some even boast the Godzilla drive of 7.5 HP. Let’s see now, do I really need that Kenworth? Or is that little Chevy more my style?

Looking at the fences supplied with the saw is a real eye opener. My old saw fence clamps at the front and the back, so I line it up get it set and push forward … and it moves 1/8th inch … re set and lock it down … now measure to the fence at the front of the blade and the rear of the blade … It’s all habit now, but what a hassle.

Almost all of the new saw fences are the “T” square or ‘cam lock’ type and when you dial in the measurement, the fence locks in nice and square. This is a feature that I’m looking for. Also, nearly all newer table saws are equipped with a riving knife.

So now we come down to the price for what get for our budget. I looked at a lot of saws for several months. The Saw Stop has the flesh sensing technology and cost about $1000 more that any comparable hybrid saw with a 1.75 HP. The Powermatic PM1000 is a 1.75 HP Hybrid for right at $2000 out the door plus tax and the extras. Jet JPS-10 also is a 1.75 HP Hybrid saw with 110v /220v option for around $1400 plus tax and the base or extras. So the field is wide.

Like I said earlier every saw has features unique to the brand, each one boasts of the finest finish, (they are all powder coated). Each manufacturer boasted of the grind on the table top … (the mil spec is nearly the same). (Mil Spec.? They drag a needle across the surface and record the vibration) I want slideability if that is a word. Some had hand wheels a bit larger than others, some were chrome, and so on and on.

My choice? Well for my shop as a one man shop, not doing commercial work, I chose the Grizzly G0715P 2HP 110v/220v Hybrid. Some of my reasons are: I rarely cut any material greater than 8/4, and my old 1.5 HP saw has served me well for several years, so a 2HP is a step up.—The 400+ pounds of this saw makes for a rock solid tool. – But most of all, the price was very attractive. – I have owned Grizzly products in the past and was happy with them and their customer support.

Like all the saws I investigated there were extras, I bought the Shop Fox base and a spare insert as well as a new Forrest Wood Worker II blade (love those things). The catalog tells you that there is a $99 Shipping charge … Well then they add on an extra $30 for delivery on a truck with a lift gate. But still the bottom line is the saw and all the extras in my shop for right about $1200.

I pulled the trigger and placed the order on Monday, I will do another addition to this post when it arrives and talk about how it is to assemble … So stay tuned.

-- Grumpy old guy, and lookin' good Doin' it. ... Surprise Az.



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Monte Pittman

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#1 posted 03-05-2014 08:59 PM

I just bought a Grizzly with the Shop Fox attachments. 3 hp, 220 volt. Had it unpacked and assembled in about 4 hours. Follow proper procedures using it, you’ll love it.

-- Mother Nature created it, I just assemble it.

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BTimmons

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#2 posted 03-05-2014 09:07 PM

Sounds like you make a good choice. I’m pretty much settled on the 2HP Grizzly whenever the time comes for me to upgrade, too. And someone else here just got one, with a few extra bells and whistles.

As for your comment about needing “slideability” on your table saw, a fresh coat of paste wax makes things glide like they were a puck on an air hockey table, even my crappy contractor’s saw. Good to keep a fresh coat on there regularly anyway for protection, too.

-- Brian Timmons - http://www.BigTWoodworks.com

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HerbC

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#3 posted 03-05-2014 09:47 PM

A saw motor running on 220 volts does not draw any less power than the same motor configured for and running on 110 volts. The error you’re making in say that it does is that you are equating the current (amperage) that the motor draws with the power. But power is actually the product of voltage and current. Therefore the motor you cited as requiring 16 amps @ 110 volts consumes 1760 watts of power. The same motor configured for 220 volts requires 8 amps and consumes the same 1760 watts of power.

The significant difference in the electrical requirements of the two configurations is that the 220 volt configuration can use smaller (therefore cheaper) wiring and smaller rated circuit breakers. But the same amount of power is used in either case.

Herb

-- Herb, Florida - Here's why I close most messages with "Be Careful!" http://lumberjocks.com/HerbC/blog/17090

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Roger

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#4 posted 03-05-2014 10:50 PM

Exciting, exciting. Whoop whoop.

-- Roger from KY. Work/Play/Travel Safe. Kentuk55@bellsouth.net

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redryder

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#5 posted 03-05-2014 11:41 PM

I see a lot of people dithering over what new table saw to buy.

When I get most anything new and shiny, I’m happy…..............

-- mike...............

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AandCstyle

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#6 posted 03-06-2014 12:55 AM

Mike, congratulations on the new saw. Also, that was a nice write up describing your decision making process. I have a few Grizzlies in the shop and have been happy with the price/value equation.

-- Art

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Mean_Dean

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#7 posted 03-06-2014 01:21 AM

I’m sure you’re gunna love your new saw, and get lots of use out of it!

-- Dean

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Grumpymike

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#8 posted 03-06-2014 05:32 PM

herb: Good point, and correctly stated, but less expense on the wire? See I knew there was a savings there …
(I just gotta justify spending a grand on a saw)

Brian: good tip on the wax, we all do it out of habit and it is our job to educate the next generation … Thanks

Mike … Yuppers

Art: Thanks and thanks for the affirmation on Grizzly.

Dean: Thanks

Geezz, I can’t believe that the truck isn’t here yet … I feel like a little kid waiting for Santa.

-- Grumpy old guy, and lookin' good Doin' it. ... Surprise Az.

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NormG

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#9 posted 03-07-2014 12:16 AM

Congrats

-- Norman

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