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Help! Wanted For A Two Way Door

Blog entry by Grumpy posted 218 days ago 860 reads 0 times favorited 74 comments Add to Favorites Watch

I am in the middle of renovating our toilet. It is a small 1mX2m (3’X6’) room separated from the main bathroom.
Now this may seem funny but a very high proportion of deaths occur on the WC.
The problem is how do you get someone out of a small enclosure when the door only opens inward. The door can be a big obstacle. I am sure many of you that are medicos would have experienced this problem.
I want to redesign the door & jamb so that it will open inwards normally but outwards in an emergency.
Has any Lumberjock done this?. I am looking for design ideas & hinge systems. Photos or drawings would greatly assist.

-- Grumpy - "Always look on the bright side of life"- Monty Python


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RusticElements

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posted 218 days ago

You can get double hinges that are commonly used in restaurants on the door between the kitchen and the dinning area. They allow the door to swing both directions. That might work for you.

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Todd A. Clippinger

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posted 218 days ago

In order for the door to swing both ways you would need the two-way hinge and all of the door stop would have to come off.

You would use a dummy door knob because the latch only works one way, that is tapered on the face and flat on the back.

The lock would have to be something other than the one on the door knob. If you used the lock they would end up pushing the door in to bust in because it is very difficult to pull a door open with the door knob.

Have you thought about going to a pocket door? You would have to tear out the wall to put it in, but it may provide the function that you are looking for. I know that a lot of people have negative thoughts on pocket doors because they never seemed reliable, and in the past that has been true. There is some very nice pocket door hardware on the market today. I feel confident installing these units and have never had a callback issue. The quality of the door itself makes a difference too.

I understand that our needs in the home change as we get older. Doing remodels I am very aware of aging people’s needs.

I almost never sell a shower or bath anymore without including lots of backing in the walls or sheeting the whole wall with plywood for handy-bars. I even put them in my own shower.

-- Todd A. Clippinger, Montana, http://amcraftsman.com

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Woodwrecker

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posted 218 days ago

Mike & Todd both have excellent ideas Grumpy.
I used to be an Emergency Medical Technician and you wouldn’t believe how many times we were called to a situation exactly as you described.
We had a heck of a time getting people out at times.
If you can take any photos during your progress I bet a lot of LJ’s would sure appreciate it.
Good luck, I bet it’ll come out swell.

-- Eric

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posted 218 days ago

Grumpy

is this a wooden stud wall partision grumpy if so the pocket door or sliding door solution may work if you dont mind losing some insulation

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DAN

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posted 218 days ago

now this is a HOT TOPIC ... I suggest explosive hinges

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posted 218 days ago

You could install non-flammable curtains



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miles125

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posted 218 days ago

I’d like to suggest an emergency pin removal on the outside that facilitates the bathroom floor and the deceased fall a few feet so the door will open. :)

-- miles125, Alabama.."Architecture is frozen music""

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patron

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posted 217 days ago

boomber hinges ,spring loaded swing both ways can adjust tension both sides independently
insert flap seals around door if liked for privacy if needed
inactive door knobs both sides .

maybe you will show us the grand exposedition ?

-- david ,new mexico ,allheart

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posted 217 days ago

The two way hinges are about your only easy choice

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mmh

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posted 217 days ago

How about a sliding door that goes into a false wall or an accordian style or bi-paneled folding door? OR, a trap door, like Sweeney Todd’s.

-- "They who dream by day are cognizant of many things which escape those who dream only by night." ~ Edgar Allan Poe

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posted 217 days ago

You could add a back door



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posted 217 days ago

How about a small, emergency door that swings out inside of the larger door that swings in.
Mike

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posted 217 days ago

Thanks Jocks. I had a few of those ideas in mind. Michael, Todd, Pommy, Patron, Noknot, MMh & Ekim there are some good options there. Bifolds could be an answer. A new frame is out of the question as I have just completed renovating the main bathroom. Likewise a sliding door is not an option.

-- Grumpy - "Always look on the bright side of life"- Monty Python

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posted 217 days ago

Woodwrecker, I will try to remember your request. As you say it is a common problem.

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posted 217 days ago

Did you think of an elevator or maybe a spiral staircase ? What color is your bathroom ? Does it have a balcony ?



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posted 217 days ago

Dan & Miles. I just hired a plumber to put the new toilet in.
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posted 217 days ago

Thanks Ekim. I’ll give that some thought.

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miles125

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posted 217 days ago

Make it a Dutch door with an upper and lower leaf thats connected to swing as one door. In an emergency you simply open the upper leaf by itself to get in.

-- miles125, Alabama.."Architecture is frozen music""

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posted 217 days ago

that’s a hilarious picture of the plumber—good name, as well. I wish all men had good “AIM”

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posted 217 days ago

MsDebbie, I didn’t even see the name. I was too busy laughing at the truck. His advertising money was very well spent.

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posted 217 days ago

Hi Grumpy;

Great photo!

Lee

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posted 217 days ago

Thanks Miles, that idea has lots of merit. Definitely worth a thought.

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posted 217 days ago

Couldn’t find this post earlier… but I posted something I found online earlier in another post

http://lumberjocks.com/topics/7725

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dennis mitchell

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posted 217 days ago

Just take down the door. Who needs one anyway…

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DAN
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Interpim, many thanks. Thats a great idea. Will look into it.

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posted 217 days ago

MsDebbie & Steelmum, I don’t know about that plumber. He sits down on the job a lot. LOL

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posted 217 days ago

two words, pocket doors.

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three words

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Grumpy … you are a bad, bad CAT



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There are three engineers in a car; an electrical engineer, a chemical engineer and a Microsoft engineer.

Suddenly the car just stops by the side of the road, and the three engineers look at each other wondering what could be wrong.
The electrical engineer suggests stripping down the electronics of the car and trying to trace where a fault might have occurred.
The chemical engineeer, not knowing much about cars, suggests that maybe the fuel is becoming emulsified and getting blocked somewhere.
Then, the Microsoft engineer, not knowing much about anything, comes up with a suggestion, “Why don`t we close all the windows, get out, get back in, open the windows again, and maybe it`ll work !?”

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An American tourist in London decides to skip his tour group and explore the city on his own. He wanders around, seeing the sights, occasionally stopping at a quaint pub to soak up the local culture, chat with the locals, and have a pint of stout.

After a while, he finds himself in a very nice neighborhood with big, stately residences…no pubs, no stores, no restaurants, and worst of all NO PUBLIC RESTROOMS.

He really, really has to go, after all those Guinnesses. He finds a narrow side street, with high walls surrounding the adjacent buildings and decides to use the wall to solve his problem.

As he is unzipping, he is tapped on the shoulder by a London police officer, who says, “I say, sir, you simply cannot do that here, you know.”

“I’m very sorry, officer,” replies the American, “but I really, really have to go, and I just can’t find a public restroom.”

“Ah, yes,” said the policeman…”Just follow me”. He leads the American to a back delivery alley to a gate, which he opens.

“In there,” points the policeman. “Go ahead sir, anywhere you like.”

The fellow enters and finds himself in the most beautiful garden he has ever seen. Manicured grass lawns, statuary, fountains, sculptured hedges, and huge beds of gorgeous flowers, all in perfect bloom.

Since he has the policeman’s blessing, he relieves himself and feels much more comfortable. As he goes back through the gate, he says to the police officer, “That was really decent of you… is that what you call English hospitality?”

“No sir…”, replied the police officer, ”...that is what we call the French Embassy.”

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Mystery solved Answer coming soon.

Dan Go To Your Room

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I THINK I HAVE A SOLUTION

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posted 178 days ago

Thats an idea Dan. No door at all.
Sign on dunny door Pictures, Images and Photos

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posted 178 days ago

toilet door Pictures, Images and Photos

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Blind Carpenter
A blind carpenter walks into a lumber mill and shouts out, “I am a blind carpenter and I need a job.”

The foreman walks over to the blind carpenter and says, “If you’re blind, how can you work in a lumber yard?”

The blind carpenter says, “I can tell any piece of lumber by it’s smell.”

The foreman says “O.K. I’ll give you a test and if you pass the test, you’ve got a job.”

The foreman takes the carpenter over to a table and says, “I will put some lumber on a table in front of you and you tell me what it is.”

The foreman then puts a piece of lumber on the table and says, “Ready!”

The carpenter bends over and takes a deep sniff moving his head from one side to the other. He says “That’s a number two pine, two by four, eight foot long.”

The foreman says, “Duh! That’s right, but pine is easy to tell by the smell and I think you guessed the rest. Here’s another piece of lumber for you to identify.”

The foreman puts a piece of lumber on the table and says, “Ready!”

The blind carpenter bends over and takes a deep sniff moving his head from one side to the other and says, “This is a tough one, please turn it over so I can smell the other side.”

The foreman does this and says “Ready!”

The carpenter takes another deep sniff moving his head from side to side. He then says, “That’s a clear heart red wood, four by four, six foot long.”

The foreman is amazed and says “That’s right, but I still think you’re just lucky and still guessing. Let me try one more time and if you get it right you got a job.”

The foreman then goes into the office and asks his secretary to help him stump the blind carpenter by taking off all of her clothes and laying down on the table. She takes off her clothes walks out of the office and lays face down on the table. The foreman says, “Ready!”

The blind carpenter takes a deep sniff moving his head from side to side. He looks puzzled and takes another sniff and says, “This also is a tough one, please turn it over so I can smell the other side.”

The foreman gestures with his hand to the secretary, she rolls over, and the foreman says, “Ready!”

The blind carpenter moves his head from side to side again looking puzzled. He sniffs one more time, looks surprised, and says, “I got it. That’s a shit house door off a tuna boat.”

He got the job.

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posted 176 days ago

Dan Go To Your Room

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posted 176 days ago

oh oh … I’m in trouble now …. eh-eh-eh-eh … Odie made me do it !

hope it makes it past the curse-word FILTER … >>>grinz<<<

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more potty humor

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posted 101 days ago

A lovely Australian Poem.

Goodbye Granddad

Poor old Granddad’s passed away, cut off in his prime,

He never had a day off crook – gone before his time,

We found him in the dunny, collapsed there on the seat,

A startled look upon his face, his trousers around his feet,

The doctor said his heart was good – fit as any trout,

The Constable he had his say, ‘foul play’ was not ruled out.

There were theories at the inquest of snakebite without trace, Of redbacks quietly creeping and death from outer space,

No-one had a clue at all – the judge was in some doubt,

When Dad was called to have his say as to how it came about,

‘I reckon I can clear it up,’ said Dad with trembling breath,

‘You see it’s quite a story – but it could explain his death.’

‘This here exploration mob had been looking at our soil,

And they reckoned that our farm was just the place for oil,

So they came and put a bore down and said they’d make some trials,

They drilled a hole as deep as hell, they said about three miles.

Well, they never found a trace of oil and off they went, post haste,

And I couldn’t see a hole like that go to flamin’ waste,

So I moved the dunny over it – real smart move I thought,

I’d never have to dig again – I’d never be ‘caught short’.

The day I moved the dunny, it looked a proper sight,

But I didn’t dream poor Granddad would pass away that night,

Now I reckon what has happened – poor Granddad didn’t know,

The dunny was re-located when that night he had to go.

And you’ll probably be wondering how poor Granddad did his dash—

Well, he always used to hold his breath

Until he heard the splash!!

-- Grumpy - "Always look on the bright side of life"- Monty Python

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