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Blog entry by Bradley Stevens posted 02-15-2011 06:45 AM 3259 reads 0 times favorited 14 comments Add to Favorites Watch
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I have been interested in having my own shop since i was 6 years old and tore apart my grandfathers. Ever since then i have always been interested, but have never been at the right place and the right time to figure it out until now.

So my starting point is ground Zero. i will be posting my garage pics from a clean but ruff start. And as i improve my surroundings i’ll send pics for proofing, Notice i said proofing and not proving as i am as novice as they get. I will be asking, pleading and begging for any advice you all have.

To start, i have cleaned the garage and am in the process of painting everything. glossy white walls, glossy epoxy floor. So far i have run pvc pipe throughout the gararge for my compressor tools. And am in the process of running the pvc for a dust collector that I have not yet purchased. So far my thought has been to stick with all Grizzly Tools. My first purchase is going to be the G0715P 10” Hybrid Tablesaw with Riving Knife, Polar Bear Series. And am hoping to addT10222 Router Table Attachment. Then i hope to re-do all the cabinents and make
pull-outs. Enough for now, I’ll see you all in the cyber shop, and am looking foward to hearing your thoughts and opinions.

Thanks,
Brad Stevens

-- Bradley Stevens



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Billyr

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#1 posted 02-15-2011 06:59 AM

Hi Brad,
cant wait to see the pictures.I have a shed where i am going to be doing projects.I am not going to buy very many tools at first.Good luck.

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Harry_Ch

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#2 posted 02-15-2011 07:23 AM

Good luck on yourdream shop .

-- Deeds not Words.

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Gregn

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#3 posted 02-15-2011 03:00 PM

Welcome to LumberJocks,

Look forward to what you do with your new Dream shop.

-- I don't make mistakes, I have great learning lessons, Greg

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ratchet

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#4 posted 02-15-2011 03:09 PM

Looking forward to seeing your posts on the shop build. I’d advise against picking only one manufacturer (unless you have an emplyee discount, or something like that). No manufacturer is best for all things, and buying expensive tools twice can be quite frustrating…DAMHIKT.

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#5 posted 02-15-2011 05:04 PM

Brad, you may have a problem with your compressor piping. Generally, you should not use PVC pipe for the piping. OSHA prohibits its use in the work place. The Plastic Piping Institute, in their Recommendation B, states that plastic piping used for compressed air transport in above-ground systems should be protected in shatter-proof encasements. This is because PVC can be brittle and when it fails there is an explosive shattering with shrapnel projectiles.

To verify these statements go to www.OSHA.gov search pvc compressed air. The safety bulletin has several attachments from manufactures and the PPI all prohibiting this use for PVC pipe.

-- Jack T, John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him might not perish but might have eternal life."

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#6 posted 02-15-2011 05:12 PM

Brad, welcome to LJ’s, I like you are in the process of transforming my garage into a shop. I have and still aam building a shed out back to get rid of the junk in the garage that I cant throw away. Just keep at it. Look forward to saeeing your posts. Good Luck.

-- Gary, Little River,SC I've Learned that the Lord didn't do it all in one day and neither can I

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#7 posted 02-15-2011 05:56 PM

Brad,

Echo what Jack T said about PVC pipe for compressed air system.

Good luck on your garage to shop conversion.

Be Careful!

Herb

-- Herb, Florida - Here's why I close most messages with "Be Careful!" http://lumberjocks.com/HerbC/blog/17090

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Bradley Stevens

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#8 posted 02-15-2011 07:14 PM

Thanks Everyone , Herb and Jack, i used the gray pvc sched 80 850 psi. i’ve turned the compressor down to 80 psi as all my tools operate at that pressure. is it still that danderous?

-- Bradley Stevens

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dbhost

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#9 posted 02-15-2011 07:37 PM

Bradley,

You are off to a decent start, however I must echo what folks here are saying. Steer clear of PVC for pressure pipe. 80PSI might not seem like a lot, but it is enough to fracture PVC.

Since you are starting from ground zero, and this is just me wishing I could get a large enough storage trailer in to clean my garage workshop out long enough to get these things done, but while the shop is empty…

#1. Insulate the walls, ceiling and doors while it is empty. Add any HVAC you are going to now, instead of later. I know finances may preclude this, but it will be MUCH easier to do now than after everything is moved in… #2. Run your sub panel and power circuits now. Same thing as above, and should be done at the same time. #3. I understand using bright white, but glossy finishes produce a lot of glare, tame that down to a semi gloss, or even a matte finish and your eyes will love you for it. I am using plain white Glidden latex paint in my shop. Bright white, and semi gloss finish…

Grizzly makes, okay imports some great stuff… That hybrid is really nice. If you can afford to go the extra mile though, you might want to spend the extra bucks on the 220V 3HP G0690 cabinet saw. The extra power might just be worth the extra bucks…

You are dead on right by doing the epoxy floor now. Gloss is good here, and the epoxy will make cleanup a breeze!

-- My workshop blog can be found at http://daves-workshop.blogspot.com

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David

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#10 posted 02-15-2011 07:39 PM

Depends on temperature, PVC gets brittle below freezing. Not a huge problem when it’s used for water pipes since they are by definition above freezing, but if your garage will ever get below freezing then you’re just increasing the risk. IMHO it’s just not worth the cost saving over copper or steel pipe.

Another suggestion while you’re at it is to angle the pipe slightly to control where water collects, and put a T fitting and drain valve in that location.

-- Perilous to all of us are the devices of an art deeper than we ourselves possess. --Gandalf the Grey http://davidwahl.org/category/woodworking/

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GodofBiscuits

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#11 posted 02-15-2011 07:58 PM

I’m going to echo what Dmwhal said, a water separator and drainage tee are a must in any air system.

pvc is not the way to go for an air system! Since you are starting out from scratch and have the clear space, put in black pipe, you will never have an issue. Air system pipes tend to have vibration caused by the compressor and can eventually cause fatigue leading to failure in pvc. When going from pvc to brass fittings you have a much greater risk of cracking the pipe due to over tightening, It’s much harder to tell when you have it tight enough or over tight with pvc. Install tees right before any and all horizontal runs to your air outlet, his gives an area for water, crap and crud to settle before it gets to your air tool.

-- Are you going to use that piece of scrap?

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David

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#12 posted 02-15-2011 10:32 PM

Just a few thoughts from my own plans… the current plan is to run lines from my garage to the basement workshop so that I don’t have to listen to my cheap, noisy husky compressor running. I’m also going to put a resevoir (http://www.harborfreight.com/5-gallon-portable-air-tank-65594.html with different fittings) in the shop to smooth out the airflow and give it a bit more flow capacity. My theory is cheap but well done, hopefully reality will line up with what’s in my head…

-- Perilous to all of us are the devices of an art deeper than we ourselves possess. --Gandalf the Grey http://davidwahl.org/category/woodworking/

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Jack_T

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#13 posted 02-15-2011 11:19 PM

Yes, it is still dangerous. When PVC fails it does so explosively. That is it sends shards of PVC plastic through the air like missiles. The manufacturers of PVC pipe state on their websites that PVC is not to be used for any pressurized gas. That includes compressed air. The PSI rating is not for this purpose.

The black pipe is a safe and relatively cheap solution to compressed air piping, however, the condensation of the water vapor causes corrosion of the interior of the pipe (rust). You then have to filter the rust out. Copper pipe does not have this problem. If you can afford the step up to copper pipe I would do so. remember to use grade K or L not M. Grade M is just not thick enough for this purpose.

Good luck.

-- Jack T, John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him might not perish but might have eternal life."

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ND2ELK

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#14 posted 02-16-2011 04:16 AM

Have fun. I have been working on my new shop for a couple of years now. I try to work on it between projects.

-- Mc Bridge Cabinets, Iowa

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