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Blog entry by GeneFK posted 517 days ago 1853 reads 0 times favorited 7 comments Add to Favorites Watch

I am building a large, hanging jewelry case of my own design, although I have seen similar ones for sale in catalogs. The wood is walnut and the case is 13/16” thick & 5” deep. It is approximately 16” X 50” so the door can hold a standard 12” X 48” mirror. I purchased Liberty 1 1/4” Faceframe Overlay Hinges and a 35mm forester bit to drill the proper size hole in the door frame. My mirrored door frame is also walnut 13/16” X 2 1/4” and rabbeted to hold the mirror and backing board. I would drill the 35mm hole in the door frame along with the two adjacent 8mm screw holes and then drill small holes for the two tabs on the other side of the hinge in the inside wall of the case. There is also a screw which holds the hinge to the case in an adjustable piece which allows about a 1/32” adjustment in or out. My door frame extends 9/32nds outside the case on all four sides.

I bought these hinges thinking they were the proper ones for my project, but the measurements for installing these type of hinges were not included and I am having a difficult time figuring out the exact placement of the 35mm hole and the adjacent 8mm screw holes in the inside of the door frame and the exact placement of the holes on the inside of the case for the two tabs on the other side of the hinge.

I looked online and have not seen these hinges used in this type of application, although it appears they should work. What I am looking for is if anyone has installation instructions and/or measurements for this type of application.

I can send a few pictures to make my dilemma a little more clear if that will help. I need to know the exact place to drill and install my hinges.

GeneFK



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#1 posted 517 days ago

Gene,

try this link. Then select the hinge model number and there should be a template layout for your Liberty hinge configuration.

http://www.libertyhardware.com/support/installation/

-- Oldworld, Fair Oaks, Ca

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#2 posted 515 days ago

Thanks for the link. I found my hinge. Unfortunately it did not have installation instructions. I did, however, find a similar hinge (1 – 3/8” overlay) that did have installation instructions. I have contacted Liberty to see if they have instructions for the 1 – 1/4” overlay hinge or can give me the modifications to the 1 – 3/8” hinge so mine will be installed correct the first time. My alternative is to build a sample with the same dimensions as my finished piece and install a hinge by trial and error, then keep building samples and trying another configuration until i get it to work…a costly and time-consuming, (but perhaps my only alternative, workable) solution.

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#3 posted 515 days ago

http://www.libertyhardware.com/search/detail/?searchType=&ID=840304&FIN=NP is the link for my hinge

http://www.libertyhardware.com/documents/instructions/HN0042%20Series%201%20&%203-8%20inch%20Overlay%20Euro%20Hinge%20Installation%20Instructions.pdf is the link for installation instructions for a similar overlay hinge that is 1 – 3/8”.

I need the installation instructions for the 1 – 1/4” overlay hinge, or the modifications I might make to the instructions for the 1 – 3/8” overlay hinge.

Now that my project is nearly finished, only having to install the hinges and the lock, I don’t want to cobble it up now. I explained the dilemma andasked Liberty for help…perhaps they will come through for me.

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#4 posted 513 days ago

Gene, the 1 3/8” overlay instructions show the set back of the hinge is 9.5 mm. That means the round cup of the hinge edge is 9.5 mm in from the edge of the door. So, try drilling your 35 mm hinge hole so that it is 6.5 mm from the edge. That should pretty much give you 1/8” less and bring you to a 1 1/4” overlay. Let me know if you understand what I am talking about. I wish Liberty would give better instructions. Blum has very good and precise instructions with lots of drawings and tables for offsets.
However, you should be able to do this.

You have a 35mm hole to drill. one half of 35mm is 17.5mm. add 17.5mm and 6.5mm = 24 mm. Your hole should be drilled at about 24mm from the door edge.

Can you then mount the hinge on a sample scrap and then to a sample face frame piece? Mark 1 /4” on the face frame for a reference point.

-- Oldworld, Fair Oaks, Ca

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#5 posted 509 days ago

I’ll give this a try on some scrap pieces…I’ve almost finished my project and don’t want anything to go wrong now.

Thanks…photo attached if you are interested.

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#6 posted 480 days ago

This was a unique design that was inspired by a cheap cabinet in a catalog…the only similarity was that the front had a 1” X 4” mirror and it held jewelry. There are 18 hangers for necklaces, places to hang 60 pairs of earrings, and 7 small drawers, all behind a locked mirrored door.

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#7 posted 479 days ago

Looks very nice Gene. Congrats on a job well done.

BTW, what was the measurement for the hinges on the door? From door edge to center of 35mm hole? Just curious.

-- Oldworld, Fair Oaks, Ca

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