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Blog entry by Filinvested posted 10-16-2010 01:13 PM 10195 reads 137 times favorited 20 comments Add to Favorites Watch

I’ll try to explain how I did this project:
http://lumberjocks.com/projects/38288

1. I take a cutoffs, which just can’t to waste

2. Cut them into small pieces, not necessarily cubic:

3. Disks we need: 40, 120, 320 sand paper and wool disk

4. A tin and PVC stripes for soundproofing:

5. My driil. It can work for hours at speed ‘C/D’ (i have been told it could be problem for drills).

6. An IKEA stool and milled groove in it for the tin.

7. The drill mounting.

8. The tin mounted on the stool:

9. 40 grit disk and sand paper stripe on the side of the tin:

10. Every 20 minutes I stop the drill for dust removing (will make a hole for dust in the bottom, swear!)

11. After first 20 minutes:

12. After 1 hour. Time you need depends on size and density of the wood. So I start with big and hard, later add small masur birch cubes:

13. After 3 hours I change the sand disk and the side stripe to 120 Grit. Run it for 20 minutes:

14. 320 Grit for the next 20 minutes:

15. In the end of the sanding:

16. Now I use the wool disk and carnauba wax on it:

17. You can run it without a cover:

I add a little danish oil during operation – about 1/2 tea spoon.

18. After 10 minutes:



20 comments so far

#1 posted 10-16-2010 01:29 PM

Looks noisy!
Only twenty minutes to knock all the corners off?
Did you dump the dust before you took the photos? LOL

Good idea!

ddwwb

-- Will trade wife's yarn for tools.

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#2 posted 10-16-2010 01:35 PM

ddwwb: very noisy! And about 10 times in 20 minutes.

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#3 posted 10-16-2010 01:41 PM

I’m wondering if making a set up like this to simply hook up to the router table at low speed would work. Too much speed? Will burn out router in short order? Would be interested in hearing your and other LJ’s thoughts.

I think you mentioned in your previous post about a vacuum hook up… or do you just occasionally dump the dust? Either way, great idea and thanks so much for taking the time to do these pics. They do explain things better.

-- Better to say nothing and be thought the fool... then to speak and erase all doubt!

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#4 posted 10-16-2010 01:51 PM

Chip: I have nor the router nor the router table.

First I made a vacuum hook in the side, but it does not work. Now I dump the dusr every 20 minutes.

I am stiil editing the entry and will try to answer all the questions.

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#5 posted 10-16-2010 02:59 PM

I love this and I am thinking about making one myself.

Questions:

Is most of the noise from the drill running or the pieces clanging around in the can? (If it’s the can, could you insulate it by putting a PVC bucket over it with foam inside?)

I assume that the C/D speed is “slow” compared to A? You don’t want the beads pinging all over the place, right?

When you vacuum out the dust, do you do it from the top with a dust collector? I envision something with a grate to prevent the beads from passing through, but not having to empty and reload every time?

Thanks- awesome!

-- Steven

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#6 posted 10-16-2010 05:15 PM

StevenAntonucci:

“Is most of the noise from the drill running or the pieces clanging around in the can? (If it’s the can, could you insulate it by putting a PVC bucket over it with foam inside?)”
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I use some PVC stripes inside the tin, so now the drill running is the most source of the noise. Without PVC – the pieces clanging.

“I assume that the C/D speed is “slow” compared to A? You don’t want the beads pinging all over the place, right?”
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‘F’ is the fastest speed and too noisy for me. ‘A’ works slower, although the dependence of the sanding rate is not simple.

“When you vacuum out the dust, do you do it from the top with a dust collector? I envision something with a grate to prevent the beads from passing through, but not having to empty and reload every time?”
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I’m ashamed, but I have every 20 minutes to empty and reload!
If you make dust holes on the side it will only work if the vacuum turned on all the time. It’s too noisy, so I turn it on only during breaks. And all the dust collected on the bottom of the tin, under the sand disk. I need the dust hook in the bottom (I’ll do it, swear).

Of course this is only home made machine for my own pleasure. If I had to earn money, I’d use something like the washing machine with plastic can inside (5-gallon water tank?) and tumbling stones.

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#7 posted 10-16-2010 07:32 PM

That’s cool! Thanks for following through & writting it up as a blog. The pictures add a lot of info.

Now what can you do with sawdust? I’ve got tons of that kicking around here…..

-Dave

-- I'm not old. Just "well seasoned".

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#8 posted 10-16-2010 10:21 PM

Thanks for the blog, really helpful, and a great idea :)

-- Jani, a Neanderthal woodworker in Sweden.

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#9 posted 10-17-2010 01:09 PM

GREAT BLOG, KIND OF YOU TO SHARE. GREAT CONCEPT ALSO. THOSE BEADS COULD HAVE MANY USES. ESPECIALLY IF YOU WERE INTO CRAFTS.

-- (You just have to please the man in the Mirror) Mike from Michigan -

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#10 posted 10-19-2010 12:26 AM

Filinvested,

I’ve got my set-up roughed out & will turn it on after I get back from the hardware store for a couple of bolts I couldn’t scrounge up at midnight last night in my shop. (Why isn’t the hardware store open 24hrs/day for night-crawlers like me, yet right next door there’s a 7-11 convenience store open 24/7 even on holidays?)

I added a vacuum port on the side of the can with a 2.5” hose fitting and a 4”x4” block of wood cut out on my bandsaw circle cutting jig to match the dia of the can. The hole in the can is only about 1” tall & set below the disk level. I’m thinking you only need to turn on the vac the last 5-10 seconds before turning off the drill to swap out grits.

http://www.woodcraft.com/Product/2000899/9634/212-Router-Fence-Dust-Extraction-Fitting.aspx

A couple of follow-up dumb questions.

The picture you have of the block of wax: Are you suggesting wiping the disk with a bit of the block of carnauba wax, or are you suggesting adding the block to the whole mix?

In the Youtube video is this the typical speed you run throughout the process or do you change speed at different steps?

Thanks,

Dave

-- I'm not old. Just "well seasoned".

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#11 posted 10-19-2010 01:25 AM

Not a dumb question dave, I was wondering the same thing about the wax :)

And thank you posting the blog filin, I know my girlfriend will love this. It’ll be a bit with school till I can get to it, so I just won’t tell her about it until I have something to show her :P It should make spending money on wood in the future even easier since she’ll end up with some beads in the end.

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#12 posted 10-19-2010 09:24 AM

It’s (Munch, Munch) all your (Munch, Munch) fault Filin.

First time I turned it on tonight for a 20 minute test run with some .5”x.5” walnut & 11 layer Birch ply blocks left over from a segmented plate I made.

First thoughts were “Hey it works! That’s so cool.”. Second was “Hmm. Running, that looks like popcorn popping. I’m hungry. Back in a second..(Munch, Munch, Munch)

-Dave

-- I'm not old. Just "well seasoned".

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#13 posted 10-19-2010 03:19 PM

N6DSW:

“The picture you have of the block of wax: Are you suggesting wiping the disk with a bit of the block of carnauba wax, or are you suggesting adding the block to the whole mix?”
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I wipe the disk with the wax. And add a little oil (something like dunish or teak) after the onset of rotation. It allows you to evenly distribute the oil in a thin layer and not to stain the disk. On the sides of tin I put plain paper.

“In the Youtube video is this the typical speed you run throughout the process or do you change speed at different steps?”
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This is “C” speed of my drill, but you can see only the beads rotation that’s just a lot less than disk speed.
It seems to be (not quite sure about that), greater speed allows faster processing, but it interferes with the noise. And I have been told it is not good for a drill.

Thank you so much for your idea with the vacuum port. It’s easy to make and should work.

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#14 posted 10-28-2010 09:33 PM

Great Idea – thanks for the blog and for sharing !!

-- Scotty - aka... SgtSnafu - Randleman NC

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#15 posted 11-10-2010 12:47 PM

Great idea! Thanks for sharing.

-- BatMastersSon

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