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Blog entry by Farrout posted 02-15-2014 12:46 PM 931 reads 0 times favorited 16 comments Add to Favorites Watch

I’m probably just being paranoid, maybe that isn’t even the right word.
I posted a simple project in which I built folding wing supports on a roll around cart for my miter saw.
It seems that since then, I’ve seen multiple projects, some published in various magazines, with the same concept.
While I admit the designs are typically much more detailed and complex than mine, the concept is the same.
Although I don’t recall ever having seen the idea before I built mine, I’m sure I’m not the first one to think about it.
Still.
I suppose I should be proud that someone copied my ideas, if they did.

-- If we learn from our mistakes, I should be a genius!



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pneufab

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#1 posted 02-15-2014 03:34 PM

I really think you are being paranoid..You posted your project 503 days ago…here are some that are posted miter saw stands with “fold out wings” well before you…

Shop notes # 11 (2005) fold up wings

Woodcraft plans (posted in forum in 2008 so before that) http://www.woodcraft.com/product/2060204/19393/mobile-mitersaw-center-woodworking-plan.aspx

Commercially available since before 2008

Popular woodworking October 2002

posted 2047 days ago right here on Lumberjocks http://lumberjocks.com/projects/8548

And I found those with a few quick searches. I would say people have been using designs like that before the internet.. :)

none of these are exactly the same, but all have a form of fold up wing.

I think your post should be ” Great minds think alike”

I have spent time designing things that I thought were really orignal only to find out that someone has already done it. Not that it wasn’t unique (since many people didn’t do it) but I wasn’t the “first one to do it” either.

I also realize that just because it isn’t posted on the web or published in magazines, also doesn’t mean it hasn’t been done for 50 years in some guys garage that is more concerned with making his workspace more enjoyable than sharing his ideas with the world.

Nice practical design, enjoy it! :)

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Greg..the Cajun Wood Artist

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#2 posted 02-15-2014 03:51 PM

“I’m probably just being paranoid”... sounds about right…folding extension table carts in many different designs and variations have been around for a long time. I built one way back in the 1970’s for my old miter saw and I got the idea for it from someone else that had built one.

-- Each step of every Wood Art project I design and build is considered my masterpiece… because I want the finished product to reflect the quality and creativeness of my work

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a1Jim

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#3 posted 02-15-2014 04:21 PM

Even it someone had copied your idea what would the harm be?

-- http://artisticwoodstudio.com Custom furniture

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ChuckV

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#4 posted 02-15-2014 04:26 PM

I think you are having the same experience that I have when I buy a new vehicle. All of a sudden, I see that model and color everywhere I look. I just never really noticed them before I bought mine.

-- “While the world with closed eyes sleeps, The sky knows and weeps - steel rain. ” ― Nathan Bell

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shipwright

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#5 posted 02-15-2014 04:48 PM

If it’s a good common sense idea, as this is, then lots of people have thought of it before. End of.

About a dozen years ago I built a flip top in an outfeed table behind my table saw that converted it from a flat outfeed surface to a planer table with the planer outfeed at the level of the rest of the surface. I thought I was pretty clever but I’m under no illusions that I was the first.

The thing about common sense is that it is common. Be proud of yourself because you did invent the thing yourself but understand that others have as well.

-- Paul M ..............If God wanted us to have fiberglass boats he would have given us fiberglass trees. http://prmdesigns.com/

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JoeinGa

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#6 posted 02-15-2014 04:58 PM

DING! DING! DING! ChuckV has it pegged. (He gave the EXACT answer I was thinking)

Give that man a cee-gar!:-)

-- Perform A Random Act Of Kindness Today ... Pay It Forward

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Grumpymike

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#7 posted 02-15-2014 05:56 PM

Hey! I did a flip up table in the 60’s using some RV trailer parts … but it was a copy of my wife’s Singer sewing cabinet that was my mom’s years before … circa 1940

I think that John Flipup made the first one … the table still bears his name to this day.

And the tables with the rule joint comes to mind … that ‘flip-up’ has been around for a couple hundred years.

I think you had a great reuse of an old idea, and you should be proud of that. but the wheel is round and any change in width or color, it is still a wheel.

+1 ChuckV

-- Grumpy old guy, and lookin' good Doin' it. ... Surprise Az.

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Smitty_Cabinetshop

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#8 posted 02-15-2014 06:03 PM

pneufab and chuckv – well done on the response. Trust that your “simple project” wasn’t original and move on, or know that anything you post on here is fair game for copy and refrain from this point. It’s social media, freely shared.

John Flipup, cousin was in the camper biz and his name was Bill Popup. Great family, did much for ‘merica…

-- Don't anthropomorphize your handplanes. They hate it when you do that. -- OldTools Archive

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JJohnston

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#9 posted 02-15-2014 06:14 PM

This has happened to me. I “invented” the centrifugal clutch, then found out that they’d been in use for decades.

-- "A man may conduct himself well in both adversity and good fortune, but if you want to test his character, give him power." - Abraham Lincoln

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ChuckV

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#10 posted 02-15-2014 06:35 PM

Is the Flipup family related to the Flipoffs of rush-hour driving fame?

-- “While the world with closed eyes sleeps, The sky knows and weeps - steel rain. ” ― Nathan Bell

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Smitty_Cabinetshop

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#11 posted 02-15-2014 06:50 PM

Didya hear? Algore invented the internet…

-- Don't anthropomorphize your handplanes. They hate it when you do that. -- OldTools Archive

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Picklehead

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#12 posted 02-15-2014 07:21 PM

Yeah, I just hope he doesn’t sell it to Al Jazeera!

-- You've got to be smarter than the tree.

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pneufab

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#13 posted 02-15-2014 10:51 PM

I agree with Jim also.. what harm does it do? I would think that one of the purposes of posting your project is so that others can benefit from the idea. Imagine if Mr. Thien though the same way and got offended?

As far as workshop related items are concerned, I would have to think that a majority of the projects posted are to help fellow woodworkers. Personally, I have two projects that the entire reason that I took the time to post them, is to hopefully give someone else the motivation to try them or help inspire them to make it their own, since I have not seen them done before. Not that they are that original or unique, I was just trying to be helpful.

(plug)
http://lumberjocks.com/projects/94595 (stock sawstop throat plate with replaceable inserts)
http://lumberjocks.com/projects/73987 (drum with a bearing and shaft to reduce load off of quill)

NOW if it is an item that you have for sale and someone else is copying it for profit….that is a whole nuther story! :)

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Farrout

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#14 posted 02-17-2014 12:21 PM

OK, I get it, no wining on the forum. Should have known better.

-- If we learn from our mistakes, I should be a genius!

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stefang

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#15 posted 02-24-2014 07:11 PM

There is very little left to invent when it comes to woodworking IMHO. However, I have invented quite a few things on my own, even though they have actually been around since before the dark ages. Nevertheless I am proud that I had the common sense (thanks Paul) to reinvent them.

-- Mike, an American living in Norway.

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