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Blog entry by EzJack posted 1735 days ago 1233 reads 0 times favorited 21 comments Add to Favorites Watch

I went to the China box (Home Depot) to get some oak plywood to slam a cabinet together for a pantry. I haven’t bought any there in a long long time and I am use to using Canadian. So I get it built, get the styles and rails on, great job, everything is tight, no filler needed, all set to sand. First past with the orbital sander running 100 grit it goes right through the veneer. I’m talking light, I barely touched it. All that joining, biscuit cutting, gluing, clamping… all down the drain on Chinese plywood. Why in earth do they carry it? It is useless. If we all are going to be playing in the same game pay your folks the same and have the same quality.

-- Ain't better or worse than any other woodpecker in the woods.



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a1Jim

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#1 posted 1735 days ago

That would t me off too. I’ve used oak door skins to fix a problem like that by laminating it over the top.

-- http://artisticwoodstudio.com Custom furniture

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dustynewt

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#2 posted 1735 days ago

I got some at Lowes about six months ago. Got it home to build a production line workstation/desk/podium for the paper mill I work at. Cut it up into the required parts to join the next day. Went out the next morning and the thin veneer de-lammed on me. I guess from the AC showroom to my humid Florida shop was just too much for it. I loaded all the parts back into my truck and went back and raised hell till I got a refund. NO OTHER material to choose from BUT Chinese. I ended up using American BC fir from 84 Lumber. They also had “cabinet grade” plywood, but it was from China. No more!

Are there ANY cabinet grade plywood manufacturers in the US anymore? If so where can I locally buy it? Not in Central Florida.

What have we come to?

-- Peace in Wood ~ http://dustynewt.com/

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grizzman

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#3 posted 1735 days ago

ahhhhhh soooooo cheap …you no likeyee rice paper birch…..me either…..i buy from the smaller guy….better stuff for sure…sorry you got jipped…..

-- GRIZZMAN ...[''''']

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Box

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#4 posted 1735 days ago

Many of us have had bad experiences buying lumber at either Lowes or Home Despot. I now only buy lumber from a real lumber yard. It is worth the extra drive and extra money to buy quality and not waste my time and money at Lowlys or Homeys.

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dustynewt

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#5 posted 1735 days ago

There are no “smaller guys” any more, grizzman. Not around here.

-- Peace in Wood ~ http://dustynewt.com/

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EzJack

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#6 posted 1735 days ago

There is a place down by 8 mile rd in Detroit that I can get real nice American and Canadian plywood. It’s a very long drive that I make once a year to get a load. Locally the same stuff is $75 a sheet special order. Down there it’s $56 and it’s a full 3/4…full 1/2. I ran out and had just one more little job to do before I snow bird down to Florida. I can’t say I didn’t know any better. What I don’t get is what the heck can you use the box store plywood for. No matter what you build with it you have to be able to sand. It can’t be moving. There can’t be many that want it. Why are they sticking it to us. We have to get together and show some power. There are a lot of products this is happening with.

-- Ain't better or worse than any other woodpecker in the woods.

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EzJack

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#7 posted 1735 days ago

Sam has got to get on the ball. There should be certain standards before you even can call it oak plywood. It’s not free trade if you have almost slaves making a half azz product. When the heck are we going to demand that the HD-Lowes stand up for the all American woodpecker. The yanks think they are saving. I gotta feeling when all is said and done the price we will end up paying is going to be more than anyone can bare.

-- Ain't better or worse than any other woodpecker in the woods.

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kolwdwrkr

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#8 posted 1734 days ago

Is the problem the cheap ply or the fact that 100 grit shouldn’t find it’s way to veneered sheet goods? LOL.

-- ~ Inspiring those who inspire me ~

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EzJack

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#9 posted 1734 days ago

Has not been a problem for 30 years. Hardly hit it, pencil marks didn’t even start to fade on the style. Just a clean up before the fine. Very thin veneer. Trust me kolw, I have the feel.

-- Ain't better or worse than any other woodpecker in the woods.

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EzJack

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#10 posted 1734 days ago

Ok kolw, I thought maybe your right and I’m a lug. So I went out and hit it with 150… same thing. By hand … same thing. You can still see the pencil marks and the were struck light.
The wife is going ” What the hezz are you doing? It’s after 2 am”. But kolw said…

-- Ain't better or worse than any other woodpecker in the woods.

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EzJack

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#11 posted 1734 days ago

I put some oil on the cheap and put it next to the good… night and day. No richness in the grain.You can’t even feel the grain. A faded yucky look. I can’t think of anything I would use this for.

Jim, I’m going to 1/8” book match it and trim.

-- Ain't better or worse than any other woodpecker in the woods.

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rustfever

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#12 posted 1734 days ago

The problems of which all speak, can be set aside by check the association stamp on the back side of the ply. That is what the ‘Association’ does. Certify minimum quality compliance. I believe many ‘low-priced’ plys from the ‘Big-Box’ stores are ungraded and have no certification stamp.

It appears others are now finding the value of quality vs price. John Ruskin(sp) once said something to the effect “The bitterness of [poor] quality is rembered long after the sweeness of [low] price”

-- Rustfever, Central California

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Ampeater

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#13 posted 1734 days ago

Menard’s Big Box store still has pretty good plywood and several other small lumber suppliers in the area also handle it. I won’t buy any Chinese lumber or plywood from the other big box stores.

-- "A goal without a plan is a wish."

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Neodogg

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#14 posted 1734 days ago

I will second what Ampeater says, Menard’s carry’s tons of “Made in the USA” plywood and alot of other things

-- If you can't fix it with a hammer, you've got an electrical problem!

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PurpLev

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#15 posted 1734 days ago

I’m with kolwdwrkr – why would you need to use 100grit on sheet goods?

just curious…

edit: my comment is not in regard to the thickness (or lack of) the material you got – I believe you the veneers are too thin. just curious why you normally use 100grit on the veneer side of sheet goods… :)

-- ㊍ When in doubt - There is no doubt - Go the safer route.

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