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THE JOURNEY INTO RESTORING OLD TOOLS #6: Soap 2

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Blog entry by Dennisgrosen posted 02-24-2011 04:06 PM 6214 reads 0 times favorited 19 comments Add to Favorites Watch
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Soap 2

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Remember this is a travel into a new world for me and I will try different methods along the way .

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Feel free to smile , luagh ,come with comments and advice´s along the way ,since most of what I write , you proppebly already know .
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The only thing you have to do, to have the oppetunity for it , is to submit to my punishment of the english language and sick humor
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what I do hope is that you can pick up one or two things you can use yourself
and enjoy the journey with a me.
I will try to devide the blogs so people with slow conections (myself incl.) can have the joy too or at least have the oppetunity to make a rant over the things I try in the labritory (cave)...lol

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a werd day in the shop since I only manage to get the half of the sleep my body needed but even that is
a day in the bed ….right :-)
so I started out with several mugs of coffee exstra strong and sugar before heading down to my labritory of dissastres
with two buckets of hot wather and the coffee in my hands…..no I´m not an octopus and I didn´t got wet …LOL
turned on the radio , singing fals to my tools and danced a little while I mixed soap and the wather
and started cleaning …..but ….but …..the energi soon left me right after the first little break so the rest of
the day went by so and so, litle was acomplished …...no I didn´t cut my self even though I didn´t worked with sharp tools
its dangerous enoff just to take them apart if you are realy tired , I know very well not to work with tools if I´m tired
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when I brought home the last tool gloat I discovered what I feared, when my mother told the plane´s cuoldn´t
be taken of the sheed they were placed on as a picture framed and all , that they were glued to the sheed
just glad I had remembered my trusty old jiigsaw so I cuold saw around them , it did make it a lot easyer
to pack in the sack and bring them home .
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you see the framed planes here looking good ….right but only for planes that is never going
to be used again and please find a better way of doing it
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furtunaly they were glued with white indoor wood glue that is watherbased so they soaked a little with just
the sheed under the wather for a few minuts ….and a few gentle wack on a cheisel 2 -3 places between the planes and #%&" sheedwood did the rest….sort of ..but now it was a lot easyer to work with as you can see
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so I soaked and used the brush several times between using a new cheap cheisel pairing the rest of
little by little and didn´t worryed about all the screwheads in some of the planes cuold damage the cheisel
working on and off on theese it did take a copple of hours to clean them from glue and I know the rust
will explode on the iron in the next copple of days untiil I can get it in Citric acid
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when you try to get screws out , the screws has four option´s to decide from what it wants to do
1. do as you want …. 2. stay put and not move a fraction of a mm….3. turn around but still not coming out
the last option we don´t dare to think of not even in funny mode even though its possiple to take care off that too but thats for another blog
its a NO-NO just to go in and use bruthel force on a screw to start with , gentle power is what you want
to use meine Damen und Herren and lucky for us that is in 96% what´s needed maybee not always as easy as we want but they do come out
to raise the chance to get the screws out then lubricate with a penetration oil overnight if its metal against
metal this can help a lot
if it still don´t move then take a small 1kg short sledgehammer or a deadblowhammer and while you
try to screw the screw in with a gentle force then give the screwdriver a gently wack or two, this will
chock the rust or what ever seems to welding the screw to the tool , then try to unscrew in most cases
this will do the trick

in the third cases is the trick to get the screw out with out just using some kind of a pli´er and destroing
the hole , instead try to use a second small flat screwdriver and press it in between the screwhead
and the wood/iron surface , if its a flatheaded screw you have to lift while you unscrew untill the
screwdriver can catch the tread, if its a countsunk screw then just push in and when you hit thread
just twist the screwdriver a little in the same direction as the tread and voilá out comes the screw
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here on a bullnose plane
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sometimes when a tool or furniture is handmade it can be necessery to use chims of a kind
between the different things to align them correct so be very carefull not to destroy them
when things is taking apart or loose them later
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here is used papershims on a bullnose plane
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who, where and why this poor plane has been punished so bruthel in the next picture
I don´t know , but its look like someone has used a beltsander on it :-( its one of the
planes from the socalled picture framed tools I was lucky to wack of with a gentle punch
here on the picture its taken apart ready for restoring …its a dovetail plane with knicker
and adjusteble brass fence it will take some work to get it to sing again but …
......with a little bit of luck… :-) to the left is two bullnoseplanes one with a crack in the iron nose :-(
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in the next picture you see today´s work not much acomplished do to lack of sleep
and all the taken apart where many of the tools had to be pursvaded to join the restoring
resisting as only a gnarvorn old gubb can do …. the tools you can see all to the right side
is yesterday´s work
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and giving the folk´s with slow connection and my self a chance I say
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Th-th-th-that´s all foks … thank´s for looking .
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hope you will return in the next episode where you can hope I
return with some more interressting serius boreing stuff

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take care
Dennis



19 comments so far

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lilredweldingrod

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#1 posted 02-24-2011 04:32 PM

Good morning Dennis, or is it evening as you are 9 hours ahead of me.
We are enjoying your blog immensely, But please don’t over extend yourself on this. GET YOUR REST!
On the white household glue, you might try a hair drier set on high. That stuff doesn’t like heat of water. All in all, you did a great job today.
For those stripped threads; When they are in the wood of the plane, you can drill out the old hole and glue in a new hardwood dowel. Redrill and use a new screw and it will be like brand new. Take care, Rand

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swirt

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#2 posted 02-24-2011 04:47 PM

Rand has the right idea with the heat gun/hair dryer, just keep it away from the water tubs. We don’t want an accident in your sleepy state of being. ;)

Even for being tired, it looks like you made some good progress there.

-- Galootish log blog, http://www.timberframe-tools.com

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mafe

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#3 posted 02-24-2011 06:45 PM

Hi Dennis,
My ohhh you are working hard on the little island.
Yes remember to rest, it is important, but yes less fun than restoring old tools.
I just restored a old hand plane, think I will blog it in your honor.
Best thoughts,
Mads

-- Mad F, the fanatical rhykenologist and vintage architect. Democraticwoodworking.

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Maclegno

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#4 posted 02-24-2011 07:14 PM

Great stuff Dennis,
but why are you always so tired? what do you DO instead of sleeping? Mayby one shouldn’t ask! As always I love your blogs your creative English reminds me of Chaucer.
More seriously, there are special bits for removing screws. You drill a hole in the screw then insert the bit in the hole. The bit has a tapered left-hand thread, so when you turn it clockwise the bit catches in the screw and unscrews it. If you haven’t seen this before I will send you a foto of it. And if you are unable to find it on your desert island, I will send one to you.
Gerard

-- Maclegno,Scotsman in Italy

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Dennisgrosen

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#5 posted 02-24-2011 07:17 PM

geting my rest uuh that is going to be very hard since the work demand a blog and the last two
did take me more than a day to write between the visits to L J and have my fix to cheer me up…LOL

Rand : thank´s for the tip with the hot air :-) just ceep them coming
and you are right with the dovel

Steve : don´t worry its only when I shake paint
I need help from electrons and water at the same time…...LOL
take a look on my last comment in the last blog

Mads: yep busy – busy working working and they call vacation relaxing time ,
I´ll better have a talk with the person who said that :-l
yes its funny to take care of of old things even though its a little overwelming this
time with so many at the same time , but that is only here to start with
then I will make the rest one at a time I think
thank´s Mads and yes blog blog blog in your usual stile we just love them blog blog blog :-)

take care
Dennis

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Dennisgrosen

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#6 posted 02-24-2011 07:25 PM

Gerard : thank´s for looking by :-) alway´s nice to see and hear from you
and yes I´m well aware of the system , we use it when the head of the screw is
knacked or destroyed in the slot
here in this blog it was a screwhole where the tread was more or less not there anymore

why I´m tired …. tooo long blogging on L J in the mittle of the nights and sometimes up
again before the devil get his slippers on I gess :-)

take care
Dennis

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jockmike2

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#7 posted 02-24-2011 08:38 PM

Great blog Dennis, I need to learn all I can about planes so I’ll be a looker on. They really look like some cool antiques. The way you’re going at it looks to take a lot of patience. Good luck with the restoration. David Craig fixed up a bunch of planes I found at yard sales. Some are some nice Stanley’s I got cheap. They sure are fun to use. Keep up the great blogs, mike.

-- (You just have to please the man in the Mirror) Mike from Michigan -

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FreddyS

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#8 posted 02-24-2011 09:01 PM

Looking good Dennis, send those planes to me when finished for proper testing :D

-- Learning one thing at a time

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Dennisgrosen

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#9 posted 02-24-2011 09:21 PM

Mike :
some of them is antique yes but how old they are I´m not aware of since I havn´t seen many
clue´s yet but hopefully will ,sofare I have only seen some indication on the iron´s
but that don´t say much about the maker of the planes but I have contact with our local
museum manager and I hope he can connect me with some of the museum´s that has specialised
in woodworking in this country two of the places they allso make some woodworking the old way
cuold be a blast to visit them a copple of days when they work :-)
the yellow like planes isn´t so old I gess they are under fifty years all of them
since they are lacked on the sides and the top , I gess the bottom have been it too
becourse some of the newest is lacked all over , just one of the things I have to decide
if I shuold lack them again or strib them , I think they were only lacked to prevent moistier to
entre into the plane and prevent twist and warping.
David Graig is a great guy :-) and I liked his blog about blockplane refurb and will read it again
when I got some block planes to take care of.

Freddy : maybee you shuold go hunting yourself , you know a propper test takes a lifetime…LOL

take care
Dennis

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mafe

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#10 posted 02-24-2011 09:38 PM

Here we are Dennis:
http://lumberjocks.com/mafe/blog/21555
So we have been on the same wave at least for a day…
Best thoughts,
Mads

-- Mad F, the fanatical rhykenologist and vintage architect. Democraticwoodworking.

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Dave

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#11 posted 02-24-2011 11:36 PM

Dennis looking good. One tip I have is over here there is a product called screw loose. There are a few other with different names that produce the same result. It is for loosing rusted parts. All it is, is break fluid for a car. If there is one that wont give. Soak it with a few drops of break fluid. If there is no wood involved, use a torch heat up the screw and flange it is attached to. Take an ice cube and cool the screw quickly. The screw should shrink a little and may give to your intentions.
Now for a different question. A lot of the tools I am finding have the woodworkers name stamped on them. I have been told that after apprenticeship the woodworker was given a stamp with his name on it. They then promptly stamped there tools with it. I have also heard that in England they were only able to get insurance on there tools if they were marked with a name or makers mark. Are you finding such marks?

-- Superdav "No matter where you go - there you are." http://chiselandforge.com

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stefang

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#12 posted 02-25-2011 01:56 AM

Much good work there Dennis, but I’m sure you won’t regret it. I know what you mean about the work of writing the blogs. I do admire you guys who are willing to suffer the pain of writing all these blogs and comments in English. I have had the same experience while writing in Norwegian. It is pretty tiring work because of the high concentration needed. I’m looking forward to seeing more of your work on these as you progress.

-- Mike, an American living in Norway.

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Dennisgrosen

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#13 posted 02-25-2011 03:30 AM

superdav :
thank´s for the tip´s the torch I´m well aware of but that is the last trick I will
pull out of the slieve beside directly going for to destroy the screw, bolt or nut
the other trick with the breake fluid I didn´t know ,its incredible how much knowledge L J´s
have collected :-)
and yes I have found owners initials on some of the tools :-) made with single letter stamps
thank´s for the historic English background I don´t know if it has been so here in Denmark
but sofare I think they can have been jobsite tools or one that has learned the traditon
a werd way from england way back in time, I don´t know realy maybee Napoeon know somthing about it.

Mike :
Thank´s yes it takes me a long time to type for me mostly becourse I have such difficulty in remembering
how the simplest words is spelled and how a sentence is build up is a farmers way in asia for me
I just type :-)

take care
Dennis

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Sheila Landry (scrollgirl)

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#14 posted 02-25-2011 03:07 PM

Taking on all of these planes at once is quite a challenge, Dennis. No wonder you are tired! Be sure to take care of yourself and give yourself some ‘play time’ too on this vacation.

I do thoroughly enjoy your blogs. I think we all appreciate them even more knowing that it is sometimes difficult for you to type everything out. Your humor and fun personality is not lost in the translation! I think though that you have developed your own language here on LJ’s and we are all pretty much in tune to what you are saying. It is part of the fun of being here and knowing people from so many different places.

Blog on, my friend! Take care and have a great day!

Sheila

-- Designer/Artist/Teacher. Owner of Sheila Landry Designs (http://www.sheilalandrydesigns.com) Scroll saw, wood working and painting patterns and surfaces. "Knowledge is Power"

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Dennisgrosen

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#15 posted 02-25-2011 03:38 PM

Sheila :
yes It is quite a chalange and as soon as I´m over with this light cleaning and Citric acid
I think I take one at a time to complete or a few more if they are of the same type
stand up and bend over the work for so many hours is very hard for my back even though
its a hobby and is fun to have them in my hands so I always forget the time :-)

I think you have right about developing my own circus english I can very well see it my self
when I get back to a comment month later I think it has something to do with how
people write here on L J and from what neveau I started with the first day I joined L J
some thing you can still see on my homepage on L J :-) one thing irretate me is that I
can understand most of what is written and said when I hear it ,when we talk about the
daily used langauge ( not the long complicated speciel words )but I still have trouble spelling them
a lot of times I make the same fail over and over again

take care
Dennis

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