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THE JOURNEY INTO RESTORING OLD TOOLS #5: Soap #1

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Blog entry by Dennisgrosen posted 02-23-2011 10:22 PM 6154 reads 0 times favorited 21 comments Add to Favorites Watch
« Part 4: Removing Rust with Citric Acid 2 Part 5 of THE JOURNEY INTO RESTORING OLD TOOLS series Part 6: Soap 2 »

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Soap and a warning
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Remember this is a travel into a new world for me and I will try different methods along the way .
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Feel free to smile , luagh ,come with comments and advice´s along the way ,since most of what I write , you proppebly already know .
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The only thing you have to do, to have the oppetunity for it , is to submit to my punishment of the english language and sick humor
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what I do hope is that you can pick up one or two things you can use yourself
and enjoy the journey with a me.
I will try to devide the blogs so people with slow conections (myself incl.) can have the joy too or at least have the oppetunity to make a rant over the things I try in the labritory (cave)...lol

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Warning….Warning don´t let cast-iron stay over night in Citric acid from what have descovered it doesn´t
seems to like it very much …even though its a mild acid its still an acid and the polished area
on one of my levercap´s now look like it comes directly from the pattern where it was made in
as you can see in the two pictures

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since last episode I have manage to de-rust 75-80 items so fare all from sawblades via plane iron to screws
thank god Citric acid is able of cleaning more than one piece at a time .
and pick up my last toolgloat bought long before Chrismas but that is shown on another blog :-)
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finely I got some serius shop time again :-) and I wanted to have wood between my hands
instead of iron …..sort of , and was tired of getting my hands clothe and nose filled with dirty dust all the time
I just turned around in the shop there for I desided to clean the wooden plane body´s from
all the dust they have collected in cold attic´s,barne´s and moistered basement´s and who knows where
they have been stored the last decade or three since they last was in used in a shop.
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you can use either dishsoap , universial cleaning soap or painters univesial cleaning , have used all three
but I do prefer painters clearning or a good universial soap, since the painters can be used in
two different way´s and some of the universial have the same advantage, for daily light cleaning
and in haveyer doze use for realy clean any dust , fingergrease and necotine from smoking and smoke
from fireplaces

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ready for a bath
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no we don´t want the planes to soak in the wather for hours , so stay above the wather with them, we only
want to clean the dust ,spiders and what ells there isn´t a part of a tool, so we can see what we are dealing with before the real refurb
in this case just wanted to use the daily solution
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use a brush
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forget your teeth and use your toothbrush to get into small place´s
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if there is screws in some of the more speciel plane´s like bullnose and others
then clean the slot in the screwhead with a needle or very small screwdriver before you try to loosen them
with a screwdriver that fit the slot , you don´t want any nick´s there believe me a one way screw ain´t
easy to get out ….LOL…......(sorry for the blured picture)
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and as usual not everything goes like planned in the labritory speciel if you don´t use your eye´s
and do thing´s per automatic , every one who use planes with wedge´s know you tap the plane
on the back end to loosen the wedge and so is it allso with side-escapement-plane´s but there
is the iron taken out downwards instead , hitting iron or wedge with anything to take the plane apart is a no-no so of course I didn´t look in that direction when I was tapping harder and harder with my wooden mallethead on the end of the plane
holding it opsite down
after ten minuts off frustration over that $%& plane I finely choose to put it aside for the day…............and there lighted the bulb with a bright shinney light and my hand slapped my head
while I swear a little more over my self realy embaresing to discover I had a one time set and forget plane …..sort of :-(
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look for yourself and gess what never will happen
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be very carefull when you straighten the iron enoff to get the wedge out
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here is some pictures of a day with dish washing…..........eerh light toolwashing
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in the first picture all the iron is de-rusted too placed beside the planes 5 off them in the box´s at left
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in the next two most of the tools still needed de-rusting and some of the planes need new irons
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and giving the folk´s with slow connection and my self a chance I say
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Th-th-th-that´s all foks … thank´s for looking
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hope you will return in the next episode where you can hope I
return with some more interressting serius boreing stuff

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take care
Dennis



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Dan

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#1 posted 02-23-2011 10:33 PM

I take it your doing all those planes at the same time? Just be careful not to get the parts mixed up like I did!

I have done multiple planes at once and got the parts mixed up. I was able to figure out what piece went to what plane but it was a bit of a pain. Now if I do more then one I keep all the pieces separate in their own tub or jar.

Its a lot of fun cleaning and restoring old tools.

-- Dan - "Collector of Hand Planes"

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Dennisgrosen

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#2 posted 02-23-2011 10:49 PM

Dan :
yes at the moment I do it at the same time when I use the soap and the Citric acid sort of
but are realy carefull not to mix irons that is too close to each other in form and size
and those tools where there is more than one iron piece I do use used flat plastic box´s
as you can see just above the long plane at the last picture

I have learned my lesson with the first batch in Citric ….even though it was only ten iron´s
it was hard enoff to match with the plane´s

later I will take them one at a time and it wont be so tedius as now … LOL

take care
Dennis

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swirt

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#3 posted 02-23-2011 11:11 PM

Looks good Dennis. You have been busy. I really like that long moving filletster in the last photo.

What is painter’s soap? Is that a vegetable based soap like Murphy’s Oil Soap?

-- Galootish log blog, http://www.timberframe-tools.com

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lilredweldingrod

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#4 posted 02-23-2011 11:40 PM

Wish I could be there and watch you spill some more. lol I now know better than to bring my popcorn into the shop. lol

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tdv

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#5 posted 02-23-2011 11:57 PM

Wow they look completely different after a good clean nice job Dennis . I am worried when your work is spotted you will get all the washing jobs in the kitchen because your work is so good
Best
Trevor

-- God created wood that we may create. Trevor East Yorkshire UK

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patron

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#6 posted 02-24-2011 12:01 AM

looking real good dennis

very encouraging to see your dedication
thank you for having us along
to learn with you

it is a real treat

-- david - only thru kindness can this world be whole . If we don't succeed we run the risk of failure. Dan Quayle

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Dennisgrosen

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#7 posted 02-24-2011 12:08 AM

Steve : I realy don´t know Murphy´s soap …but in my ears it for second sound like a joke .. Sorry

I hope I can explain it good enoff since I just use it all the time when i refurb houses with new paint
and wallpaper
painters cleaning is made so it in the strong solution takes all what have been able to fastned to
the paint since it dryed first time and simply degrease it . oilbased or watherbased paint doesn´t matter

but you have to go over it with fresh wather afterwards when you use it before painting
and it make´s it a h… lot easyer to use sandpaper to rough scratch what you want to to paint
so the new layer stay on the old paint

most of them today is safe for the envirement as I know sofare but use rubber glove is a good idea
since its little hard to the hands ….promisse you realy get clean hands using it a copple of hours :-)

I gess your housepainters in USA does know a simular product
and I gess it can bee found in wallmark,homedepot etc. etc. or who ever sell paint in cans and buckets

a note : remember I just made a real light cleaning this time

take care
Dennis

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lilredweldingrod

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#8 posted 02-24-2011 12:19 AM

Dennis, This sounds like maybe TriSodium Phosphate, or TSP. This stuff has been around longer than my 67 years. I like it for cleaning my saw blades and router bits.

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Dennisgrosen

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#9 posted 02-24-2011 12:27 AM

Rand : not much trust you have …here I go around and have promissed my self to make
new disastres to soprice you with and then you don´t even sneak one pop in….LOL

Trevor : ha ha ..there I am covered.. ha ha ..we have a dishwasher , so not a chance for it :-)

David : thank´s for the kind words :-)

Dennis

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Dennisgrosen

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#10 posted 02-24-2011 12:30 AM

Rand . that was a long difficult word worthy of a proffessor , at least it is for me
a new thing to learn about since I´m not a chemist

Dennis

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Sheila Landry (scrollgirl)

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#11 posted 02-24-2011 01:50 AM

Keep going like this and you will have “dish pan hands” for sure! You are really cleaning a lot of tools! They are all going to be so nice that you aren’t going to want to get them dirty when you are finished! ( I can see the spiders packing their little bags and leaving already – too clean they say!)

Seriously, it is really good to see that you appreciate and care for these older tools. When my grandmother had her bathroom redone, she saved the wall tiles. I remember her sitting over a bucket and scrubbing each ceramic tile so they could reuse it. Now THAT was what I call recycling!

People dispose of things much too quickly it seems. The older quality stuff is many times far better than the stuff they make now. You are making a good example for all of us (and your daughter too!)

Thanks for the nice blog. I always enjoy your accent, too! :D

Sheila

-- Designer/Artist/Teacher. Owner of Sheila Landry Designs (http://www.sheilalandrydesigns.com) Scroll saw, wood working and painting patterns and surfaces. "Knowledge is Power"

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Dave

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#12 posted 02-24-2011 02:18 AM

Dennis looking very clean. I was scared to use water for cleaning on mine. I chose a nylon brush and mineral spirits. As you have suggested I will try turpentine. My method has left some patina on the plane body. I do like the way yours look. Very nice. Did you use an oil treatment after the bath?

-- Superdav "No matter where you go - there you are." http://chiselandforge.com

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Dennisgrosen

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#13 posted 02-24-2011 02:41 AM

Sheila :
I don´t mind geting cleaned hands when needed ..LOL or dirty if ….
and I don´t mind geting my tools dirty when I work with them
but I can realy be exploding with head turning from blue to red and back again
if I take a tool down from the wall or from a toolbox and it is filled with dirt ,grease ,used motoroil
and throw the tool over in the next city even my father didn´t dare to use my tool
when I had a garage for my cars or trucks it takes so little time to use a rag to clean the tools
and give them a dap of clean clear oil so they are ready next time when you set them back
to there place´s
its such a nice experience to go in taking a screwdriver or what ells you need when you are dressed
to go to a dinnerparty and the car grumble a little and can be fixed with one tool in a second
I´m not talking about an organised toolbox here ,just having clean tools when you want to use them
is a great feeling

its not just your grandmother I did the same when we builded a new kitchen I think I saved
around 40 of the tiles since I know we cuoldn´t get them again becourse we have the same
tiles from the fifty´s or earlyer in the bathroom so if there is coming some repairing on some
of the pluming I don´t need to redo all of it
and lot of brick´s has been recycled over the years too :-)

I think when it comes to tool quality is always worth the efford to save

take care
Dennis

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Dennisgrosen

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#14 posted 02-24-2011 02:53 AM

superdav :
remember I just barely used water on them except when I used clean water to get the soap of them
and didn´t scrub them at all .
this was only to lightcleaning them so I can see what I´m dealing with so I didn´t go further with
oiling or other things now they will rest a week or more so the moist is out of them
and all the patina is still there as well as all the grease/blo that has been used to maintain them with

take care
Dennis

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Sheila Landry (scrollgirl)

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#15 posted 02-24-2011 03:07 AM

A man after my own heart, Dennis! I like my tools clean and sharp and organized. Maintenance is cheap. Replacement is expensive. It just makes sense to take the time to wipe them off and keep them clean. It is far more pleasurable working with nice clean and well-maintained tools than using neglected ones. I find you are more able to concentrate on whatever project you are doing rather than being distracted by looking for tools or using poorly maintained ones. Just me I suppose.

Have a great evening! Sheila

-- Designer/Artist/Teacher. Owner of Sheila Landry Designs (http://www.sheilalandrydesigns.com) Scroll saw, wood working and painting patterns and surfaces. "Knowledge is Power"

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