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Gluing Veneer To Radius Box Parts, "Made Easy"

Blog entry by Dennis Zongker posted 83 days ago 759 reads 6 times favorited 31 comments Add to Favorites Watch

Gluing veneer to hardwood can actually be a good thing. As long as the hardwood has the proper moisture content, which is between 6 to 8 percent. Also, the smaller the piece of hardwood the better. Wood only expands and contracts, the width of your board. Also I like to veneer both sides, to balance the hardwood.

In the old days when furniture reached a zenith in Europe, between 1700-1900. Most of the highest quality pieces of furniture had veneer glued to the legs & aprons, which were made out of hardwood. On the tops and bigger pieces, they would glue up their own plywood, because of wood movement.

Also by using hot animal hide glue, to glue on you veneer & marquetry. It’s a much better glue, because hide glue moves with the wood & is much stronger then modern day synthetic yellow glue.

An easy way to glue veneer or marquetry to your radius parts.

In the very beginning when cutting out your parts on the band saw.

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By using 8/4 are 12/4 thick stock, and cutting out on your band saw. Cut out your box parts which are centered on the board. By cutting clean and straight as you can. And plan it out to where each cut-off piece of wood, will also be cut into a clamping caul, for gluing and clamping.

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Every single cut off part can be used for a clamping caul. For gluing on veneer.

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On the clamping caul. I glue a piece of thin foam. This is so when I’m gluing on the veneer, there won’t be any voids.

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Brushing on the hot animal hide glue. On to the Marquetry Veneer.

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Gluing the Box side.

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Clamping the marquetry, veneer to the box side. By using the clamping caul.

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Clamping the marquetry, veneer to the box side. By using the clamping caul.

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You can also use the clamping cauls to clamp the box together.

Thank you for looking.

-- Dennis Zongker


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Patti

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posted 83 days ago

Very well explained…. Nice job Dennis

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a1Jim

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posted 83 days ago

A big help thanks for the info.

-- Jim from Heirloom Woodshop Southern Oregon

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Rj

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posted 83 days ago

When you mention hardwood what type do you suggest ? do you also use hide glue when gluing the box together?

Great Info Dennis Thanks for posting this!!

-- Rj's Woodworks,San Jose & Weed Ca,

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mmh

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posted 83 days ago

How timely! My husband is attempting to repair an old chest that his mother was given for her wedding. The walnut veneer has warped, buckled and peeled from years of abuse and he is hoping to restore this family heirloom.

Is it possible to salvage the buckled veneer or should he remove all the damaged veneer and start anew?

He’s asking me to find him a tutorial, so any directions are appreciated!

-- "They who dream by day are cognizant of many things which escape those who dream only by night." ~ Edgar Allan Poe

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patron

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posted 83 days ago

thanks for the tip , dennis .

always good to know how the pro’s do things !

how are you felling lately ?

-- david ,new mexico ,allheart

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MaxS

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posted 83 days ago

That’s great. Nice job and good photos. Many thanks.

-- Socrates: "I drank what?"

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Dick, & Barb Cain

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posted 83 days ago

A great tutorial Dennis,

This is something I’ve never tried.

I have a friend who restores pianos, & he always uses hide glue.

He removes old veneer thats been glued with hide glue with a steamer type tool.

-- -** You are never to old to set another goal or to dream a new dream ****************** Dick, & Barb Cain, Hibbing, MN. http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/gallery/member.php?uid=3627&protype=1

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Dennis Zongker

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posted 83 days ago

Thanks Patti & Jim for your complements.

Hi RJ, I have used all types of hardwood & never had any troubles. I use hot animal hide glue on everything, it’s works incredible on any type of joint.

-- Dennis Zongker

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Dennis Zongker

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posted 83 days ago

Hi MMH,

How has life been treating you? It looks like you have been busy making a bunch of canes. Keep up the great work.

As far as fixing veneer on a piece of furniture. It would depend on how much that piece is worth, and how much is it worth to you and your family.

If it is worth keeping it’s original value, I would try and save the old veneer. If it was glued up with hide glue. Then I would try to heat the veneer with a small steam iron. To remove the veneer and then re glue it back on.

-- Dennis Zongker

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Dennis Zongker

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posted 83 days ago

Hi Patron
Thanks for the kind words,

I have been feeling good. Knock on wood. lol I’m back to working full days & woodworking all weekend.

Hi Dick,

Thank you sir. Looks like you have been having fun with those ant’s.

-- Dennis Zongker

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Lee A. Jesberger

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posted 83 days ago

HI Dennis;

Great write up.

You didn’t mention the smell though. Yuck!!! LOL

Your project looks beautiful !

Lee

-- by Lee A. Jesberger http://www.prowoodworkingtips.com http://www.ezee-feed.com

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Dennis Zongker

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posted 83 days ago

Hi Lee, Thank you sir!

Yes, I forgot to say that hot animal hide glue is very Yucky smelling. But in time, one can get immune to it!

-- Dennis Zongker

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daltxguy

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posted 83 days ago

Nicely explained, Dennis.

Thanks for the tutorial and the tips.

It’s looks easy when you do it!

-- Steve, New Zealand, www.steveracz.com

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Kent Shepherd

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posted 83 days ago

Great information Dennis. I hope to be able to use it soon.

Thanks

-- Kent Shepherd * The goal is-----More Tools!

posted 83 days ago

Dennis
Congratulations for the so nicely explained content of your las posting.
More than a real pro you’re an excellent teacher as well.
Best of all is know,ing that you are completely sound and working normally.
thanks for sharing your knowledge with us.

-- MARCO AURELIO R. GUIMARAES, BELO HORIZONTE, MG, BRAZIL

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Loucarb

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posted 83 days ago

Well explained and the pictures really help. Thanks for sharing.

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Karson

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posted 82 days ago

Dennis A great posting. I need to get into this hide glue sticky stuff.

-- What happens in the workshop stays in the workshop. No wait that doesn't sound right. Karson Southern Delaware karson_morrison@bigfoot.com †

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Grumpy

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posted 82 days ago

Great blog Dennis.

-- Grumpy - "Always look on the bright side of life"- Monty Python

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Hyperhutch

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posted 82 days ago

Very helpful tips Dennis. Thanks!

As for the hide glue, why do you prefer this over modern adhesives? I really have no opinion on the issue, but I was curious why you prefer it. Also, do you use it on furniture as well? Thanks!

Hutch

-- I hope the volume of shavings one creates is directly related to the probablility of one's success, cuz if so I've got it made!!

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mmh

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posted 82 days ago

So Dennis, When are you going to hold private classes? I’m first in line!

What are the options if one is fixing a pre-existing piece and does not haveclamping cauls that fit the shape of the box/chest? 1) Make clamping cauls to fit each dimension being re-veneered? If so, with what/how?; 2) Use a vacuum system. Do they make them large enough to fit a full size chest?

Could one make a clamping caul by making a mold from plywood, then create the curves by adhering insulation foam spray to it while pressing against the chest/artifact, protecting it w/ plastic so the hardened foam removes easily? Sounds messy, but how else can one create a caul and get a tight fit?

I’m starting to think that removing all of the old veneer and painting the chest in faux wood would be easier. Maybe add some medallion pieces made from solid wood to glue or nail on.

-- "They who dream by day are cognizant of many things which escape those who dream only by night." ~ Edgar Allan Poe

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Blake

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posted 82 days ago

This is so cool! Please post more blogs like this with TONS of photos. I love seeing how other woodworkers do their thing.

This is a really interesting process and I’ve never done anything like it.

-- Check out my new website! http://www.blakeweberwoodworking.com

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Dennis Zongker

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posted 82 days ago

Thank you, Steve It’s so much fun,that’s why is easy. lol

-- Dennis Zongker

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Dennis Zongker

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posted 82 days ago

Thank you, Kent Thats way blogs are so much fun, we can learn from each other.

-- Dennis Zongker

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Dennis Zongker

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posted 82 days ago

Hi Maro, I was wondering how your box was coming along? And thank you for the kind words.

-- Dennis Zongker

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Dennis Zongker

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posted 82 days ago

Hi Loucarb, thank you

Hey Karson, Yea the glue is sticky & very stinky. Its funny how many people I ask to smell the glue pot when its hot, and everyone always cringes. And tells me, man that crap stinks. lol

-- Dennis Zongker

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Dennis Zongker

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posted 82 days ago

Thank you, Grumpy

Hi Hyperhuthch,

At first hot hide glue seams very hard to work with. After time It gets easer. I think the best part about hide glue is that it is much stronger then other glues, if you use granular vs pearl. Also its very forgiving and moves with the wood. Its great for using on joints, because if you need to repair a piece of furniture or a violin. You can loosen the joints with heat & water or inject denatured alcohol into the joint. This way you don’t have to break or chip the wood.

-- Dennis Zongker

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Dennis Zongker

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posted 82 days ago

Hi Meillie,

It would be nice if we lived closer together, then we could share are woodworking projects together.

As far as the piece of furniture that your talking about, could you send me some pictures, & maybe I could help figure the best way to repair it.

-- Dennis Zongker

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Dennis Zongker

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posted 82 days ago

Thank you, Blake
I should have a new blog ready next week.

-- Dennis Zongker

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tinnman65

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posted 82 days ago

Hay Dennis great blog. It was very informative thanks. I never tried packet cutting in marquetry before, maybe you could give us some pointers on that sometime. You of course make it look very easy!

-- Paul Sayre Creativity is a drug I cannot live without. Cecil B. DeMille (1881 - 1959)

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Hyperhutch

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posted 82 days ago

I have worked with hide glue before, and I do like how easy it works/unworks when trying to repair something. I find it most interesting that you use it in ALL applications. Thanks, and can’t wait to see more!

Hutch

P.S. I actually apprenticed under a violin maker for a bit, and I didn’t find the smell of the hide glue to be all that bad. :)

-- I hope the volume of shavings one creates is directly related to the probablility of one's success, cuz if so I've got it made!!

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Billp

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posted 79 days ago

Dennis thanks for sharing with us you are one of the best lumber jocks have to offer.

-- Billp

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