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Dungeon to Lair: That's the plan at least... #25: Duck (or is it Duct), Low Ceiling!!!

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Blog entry by DIYaholic posted 03-23-2013 06:52 PM 1623 reads 1 time favorited 13 comments Add to Favorites Watch
« Part 24: Hang 'em High: HF 2HP DC Mod!!! Part 25 of Dungeon to Lair: That's the plan at least... series Part 26: Up, Up, & Away! Well Almost!!! »

My overall dust collection upgrades have been a long time in coming. There was always the plan to build a Thien Top Hat, reconfigure or “Hot Rod” the HF 2HP DC & run metal ducting in the shop. I was spurred into action because I was tired of wasting time switching out the flex hose from machine to machine & tripping over the hose. This latest upgrade is but another step in the metamorphosis from “Dungeon to Lair”. It is also a huge part of making my shop time more efficient and productive.

With the original DC setup, I was running 20’ of flex hose to my machines. Sometimes, that was way more than needed, but hose comes in 10’ lengths. So whatchya gonna do? We all know that flex hose kills air flow. The goal is to remove as much flex hose &/or reduce the length of the runs in the system. We’ll see how that works out later!!!

Has anyone noticed that Y-fittings are designed for “air flow” in the opposite direction. I wanted the “Male” sections to slide into the “Female” sections, flowing towards the DC. This was to try and reduce restrictions to air flow/turbulance & to help reduce the chance of chips getting hung up and causing clogs. There was some “cosmetic surgery” involved in making that happen, but it did work. At least I hope it works!!!

My shop ceiling is but 6’ 4” high, which does make handling 8’ lumber cumbersome, but made installing the ceiling runs mucho easier, as NO precarious ladder climbing was required!!! In any case, I’d rather have high ceilings.

I’ll try to let the pictures do most of my talking….

Here is the Thien Top Hat, connected by 1’ of flex to the main duct run. The main run goes behind my ambient air cleaner & Y’s off to two seperate runs. One run to the ceiling and another to the floor. The floor run serves the jointer, while the ceiling run serves everything else.

The jointer in position, Ready to joint:

The jointer Stowed Away:

Once through the wall, the “Main Run” Y’s off:

The run along the wall Y’s off to serve my OSS & RIKON 10-325 14” BS with a 1-1/2HP motor and 13” of Resaw capacity:

The OSS Blast Gate:

BS Blast Gate:

The run along the wall will also eventually serve my SCMS & RAS. However, as they have NO DC ability at present, that will happen in the future. I just hope, not the tooooooo distant future!!!

From the ceiling, there is a drop that serves my planer and TS:

In these images of the Planer & TS Blast Gates,
You can see ply standoffs that needed to be installed:

Another view of the Planer/TS Drop:

The “Main Run” for the ducting is complete, except the SCMS & RAS run. All seams have been sealed with foil tape. There are a few tweaks yet to be done, but I WON”T be tripping over flex hose anymore!!!

Overall, ALL runs were shortened & flex hose use has diminished. There is a total of 6’ maximum of flex hose on one run, with most at 3’. I can probably make a few flex runs shorter, but I’ll hold off until the whole system is used for a while. (too short won’t work!!!) I also need to get a few more hose clamps to replace the zip/cable ties, securing the ply standoffs.

The next DC upgrade will be building a Thien baffle & 2” PVC plumbing for a “Shop Vac” collection system for my bench top machines. I also need to remove/reconfigure the octopus that is my electric supply system.

Well, that’s the plan at least!!!

-- Randy-- I may not be good...but I am slow! If good things come to those who wait.... Why is procrastination a bad thing?



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eddie

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#1 posted 03-23-2013 07:10 PM

randy that look great .like the way you got the holder made on the beam ,this is something i got to do but it will be a ways yet ,you have really come a ways with your shop. where did you get your duck work from

-- Jesus Is Alright with me

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JL7

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#2 posted 03-23-2013 07:20 PM

Pretty sweet setup…......good use of space, except the pole will now be limited in use…....JK…..I see that some of your french cleats were compromised in the process…..time for Rev 2. And how is it possible that you have empty space on the cleat?? I don’t comprehend that!!

Now….do you have the remote control for the DC? If not, that’s the last piece to this puzzle.

Well done…..your new found motivation is scary!

-- Jeff - I have not failed. I've just found 10,002 ways that won't work.

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Richard

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#3 posted 03-23-2013 07:34 PM

That is a very nice looking setup. Wish I had the space to be able to setup a shop like that.
But for now iI am stuck with an outdoor carport to work in when the weather lets me.

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DIYaholic

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#4 posted 03-23-2013 08:46 PM

Eddie,
I was able to get ALL my 4” ducting, some elbows and foil (butyl rubber mastic adhesive backed) tape from the ReStore for about $15.00. The Y’s & other elbows, from the BORG, for about $50.00. The 5” metal duct, from the Thien exhaust to the impeller housing intake, is from the BORG also. All in all, I have about $75.00 total into my ducting.

-- Randy-- I may not be good...but I am slow! If good things come to those who wait.... Why is procrastination a bad thing?

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DIYaholic

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#5 posted 03-23-2013 08:57 PM

Jeff,
I’m glad you approve! I’d be dissappointed in my efforts, if you hadn’t!!!

Don’t fear, I have a pole installed in another room, for overnight guests!!!

I’ll still be able to put the french cleats to full utilization!!! I just haven’t finished making all of the tool, supply, & S#!T holders, for french cleats!!!

The “Puzzle” is complete! I have the “Long Ranger”, to help me corral all them thar dust varmits!!!

I had to be motivated recently! With spring right around the corner (so they say!!!), my shop time will drop to nearly ZERO!!! My “real job” work schedule will soon be 10 hours a day, 6 days a week!!! Not really looking forward to that.

-- Randy-- I may not be good...but I am slow! If good things come to those who wait.... Why is procrastination a bad thing?

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DIYaholic

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#6 posted 03-23-2013 09:02 PM

Richard,

Thanks for the kind words.
I hear ya regarding having shop space. I’ve wanted a shop for some 25 years! I’ve always lived in apartments, so a shop was a “no go”! I finally have space & am trying to make it the best I can.

I hope that you get your “Woodworking Lair”, sooner rather than later!!!
Thanks for stopping in.

-- Randy-- I may not be good...but I am slow! If good things come to those who wait.... Why is procrastination a bad thing?

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JL7

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#7 posted 03-23-2013 09:40 PM

So the puzzle is complete…....winner winner chicken dinner! But why the S#!T holders? Let it go man….......

-- Jeff - I have not failed. I've just found 10,002 ways that won't work.

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Roger

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#8 posted 12-07-2013 01:54 PM

With all that piping, does that HF collector have enough power to suck up the dust from the farthest point?? I have the same collector, and, I am going to add the 30 gal. can, the Wynn air filter, and a cyclone when I get around to it. Thnx in advance for your response.

-- Roger from KY. Work/Play/Travel Safe. Kentuk55@bellsouth.net

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DIYaholic

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#9 posted 12-07-2013 09:36 PM

Roger,
Before I ran the ducting and installed the Wynn filter, I used two 10’ lengths of flex hose to reach the furthest machine. The 20’ length was longer than needed, but 10’ was too short. My longest total run is now 19’ (metal ducting with minimal flex). The suction is now better than with just the 20’ of flex!!! Eliminating as much flex hose as possible and installing a Wynn Cartridge filter has gone a long way to maintain/improve air flow. I wouldn’t put a planer or jointer on a run that long, if you can help it. My Planer IS on my longest run, (but the DW735 has a chip blower, that helps to move the chips) and it works out fine. YMMV!!!

-- Randy-- I may not be good...but I am slow! If good things come to those who wait.... Why is procrastination a bad thing?

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Roger

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#10 posted 12-10-2013 01:53 AM

You’ve done a fine job o this Randy. I’m likin it more n more.

-- Roger from KY. Work/Play/Travel Safe. Kentuk55@bellsouth.net

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DIYaholic

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#11 posted 12-10-2013 02:07 AM

Thanks Roger!
I’m liking’ it too!!

With the busy summer behind me….
& hopes of a slow winter (read: little/no snow)....
I’m planning on spending a whole lot of time down in the “Lair”!!!

-- Randy-- I may not be good...but I am slow! If good things come to those who wait.... Why is procrastination a bad thing?

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Roger

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#12 posted 12-10-2013 02:09 AM

With all that nice dust collection, you will want to stay there all day and maybe all nite. :)

-- Roger from KY. Work/Play/Travel Safe. Kentuk55@bellsouth.net

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DIYaholic

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#13 posted 12-10-2013 03:07 AM

Roger,
During the winter months, I drive a plow truck.
If it isn’t snowing, then I’m not working….
& I’m in the shop as much as possible!!!

I wish you luck in your dust wrangling endeavors!!!

-- Randy-- I may not be good...but I am slow! If good things come to those who wait.... Why is procrastination a bad thing?

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