Cog Hill Golf Course...Update

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Blog entry by Catspaw posted 03-04-2008 02:21 AM 6373 reads 0 times favorited 4 comments Add to Favorites Watch


It would appear I’ve either forgotten how to link these two blogs by editing them into a series or it’s not letting me. In either case, I thought I would do some editing here to provide a bit more context.

I think it was appropriate to provide this second blog as a balance. It occurred to me that I didn’t want this to be a rant. It was intended to show a project for the perusal of this audience as a curiousity and not to be some whining complaint.

In the spirit of providing this balance I did want to make two comments.

In tooting my own horn, I designed this ceiling system with “designers” drawings that contained alot of generalities (when things got too hard to draw, they were sort of glossed over.) From a distance of about 250 miles, i.e., there was no way I could just go measure something if I wasn’t sure what it was, I was gratified in how well the ceiling went in. There were really no major screw ups. In went in as it was intended.

Second, I designed in systems for covering “sins.” The building was all over the place, so I made sure there was a way to cover up gaps and cock-eyed-ness, etc. without it looking like cover ups. Giving credit to the union boys, they installed it in such a way as to NOT need scribe that was provided.

If you can imagine….each frame with the panels is 5/4’s and was approx. 6 1/2” away from things like the trusses and other adjoining frames and panels. A 7” wide 4/4 board then overlayed that by 3/8” ( in the first photo you can see where some of that has not been installed yet and you can see exposed plywood.) Some of the trusses were several inches out of whack as were windows and other things. We made scribe to go between this 4/4 board and anything it might be out of whack with. Again, to the credit of the union boys, they installed it by scribing each 4/4 board and NO scribe was used. It looks very good that way.

That’s what I wanted to put in here for balance.

End of Edit:

While I’m still not happy about the union situation, I’m posting this as an update to my previous blog. It shows some of the progress on the Cog Hill Golf Course project install we should have been doing. They’ve done a good job overall, but, not without screwing some stuff up.

Anyway, it is appropriate to show the job they have done so far.

This is showing one of the main ceiling sections almost complete. Yes, the lense is dirty.

This is one of the dormer details.

They are working on the main floor right now. I have no pics of the walnut columns or crown yet. If I never see this room again, it will be too soon.

(sorry about the sour grapes…but I’ve never been one to hold back.)

-- arborial reconfiguration specialist

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Thos. Angle

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#1 posted 03-04-2008 02:15 PM

From your photos, it doesn’t look too bad. Of course, from here I can’t see the problems.

-- Thos. Angle, Jordan Valley, Oregon

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#2 posted 03-05-2008 01:18 AM

You won’t see them. When it’s all said and done it will look fine. The problems are deeper in the install and get worked out.

One example is the in the second photo. What you would never know is that that lower frame was supposed to be right up against the upper trim board (laying over the upper frame.) One trim board overlaying two frames. Instead they pulled it down and put a trim board over laying the lower frame and panel. Sort of balances the lower plane and the upper plane. Looks fine….except that’s not according to the print. In doing so, they used up almost 200’ of 4/4 boards by ripping them from 7” to 3 1/2” and 4” wide. The waste was incredible. All they had to do was look at the prints.

I know it’s hard to imagine what I’m talking about. It’s very subtle without actually seeing the prints and having it explained to you. Designing these products was a challenge to say the least.

Going now to edit this blog for more context.

-- arborial reconfiguration specialist

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Tim Pursell

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#3 posted 03-05-2008 05:12 AM

I don’t know how it is in other parts of the country but The Chicago area trade unions are, and always have been, very protective (I could use much tougher language here, but—-it’s not a good idea) of their work. This is still a union town(including the surrounding area) I’ve been on both sides of the fence with unions, thet are not ALLbad. They do some good as well as some bad. Are all union workers better that non-union?
No. Do unions protect workers who are not skilled? Sometimes. Are union workers stuck up & could care less about the quality of thier work? Yes in too many cases, not all, but enough to leave a bad taste in many peoples mouths. I have seen so much shoddy work in all phases of the local construction trades in the past few years, I wonder if there is ANYBODYworking out there that cares about the quality of work they are putting out. I can totaly see where you are coming from, You worked hard to get the job & then thru no fault of yours, you got bounced. It stinks, I hope your contract covered your costs. I can understand why Cog Hill caved to union pressure & I can even see why, some underemployed carpenter cried to his union. It’s all about the bottom line. Too few “professional”, union workers care enough to put out work they can be proud of.


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#4 posted 05-30-2008 10:44 AM

I just love the look of the wood, it’s beautiful.

-- Taigert - Milan, IN

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