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Finally, My Dream Shop #2: More on Preliminary Thinking about the Shop

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Blog entry by Calgirl posted 09-26-2007 06:03 PM 1324 reads 0 times favorited 5 comments Add to Favorites Watch
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Thanks all, for your comments and ideas. I’ve been thinking about this shop for sooooo long and changed my mind so many times, but soon, as the building progresses, my options will be severely limited. Actually, after holding many ideas in my head, I happened upon Grizzly’s web site, where they have a shop building program. It is somewhat limited, but was very helpful to me. I tried to use Sketch-Up, but the learning curve was too long for me, as I just had to get things down on paper! I will use Sketch-Up mostly for my projects, but first I have to take the tutorial that was posted here on Lumberjocks. What a great resourse! The computer program I did use in addition to Grizzly’s was Excel. I just set up a graph page and started drawing my wood machines onto the graph. That’s how I figured out where to put the dedicated 220v outlets and the dust collection system.
I did a lot of research on dust collectors and found that their advertising is somewhat deceptive. They tell us that such & such unit puts out 1800 CFM, but what they don’t tell you is that it’s 1800 CFM right at the cyclone outlet…...now down the line you’ll be lucky to get 900 CFM. I found this site written by Bill Pentz where he has posted exhaustive research into all aspects of dust collection. Out of his research, Clear Vue Cyclones was born. I will soon be able to give working data on just how good these units are, but I expect to be pleased.

As suggested, I will post pictures of before, during and after. It’s going to be great fun watching the building go up! The contractor sent me a set of preliminary engineering plans, then he came out again to talk with me about any changes. He is going to get all done to the point before pouring the monolithic cement floor, and then give Mike and I a weekend to construct the dust collection piping. Then he will come out that following Monday and pour the cement. I guess the electrician will have to do some work prior to the cement because I have electrical outlets coming out of the floor where some of the machinery will stand.

Please feel free to include any suggestions you may have. They are helpful for things I have not thought of and also to confirm that I’m on the right track. One of the things very different about Florida is the humidity. So I have gotten a thermostatically controlled dehumidifier which I will mount somewhere out of the way so that the wood and I can co-exist more comfortably. After living in California, this humidity is taking some getting used to, I can tell you.

Thanks for all your comments and suggestions.

-- Forget the health food, I need all the preservatives I can get !



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Myron Wooley

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#1 posted 09-26-2007 08:43 PM

Building a new shop is exciting! I had many hours of quality daydreaming during my shop rebuild.
Bill Pentz is a wealth of information about dust collection. I bought the ClearVue cyclone after studying Bill’s site for hours (don’t forget to tip), and let me tell you, it sucks. In a good way! You will be pleased, I’m sure.
One thing I discovered- instead of trying to force 6” hose over pipe, you can easily insert the hose into the bell end of PVC S&D pipe or a coupler instead. Much, much easier!

-- The days are long and the years are short...

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Calgirl

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#2 posted 09-27-2007 12:30 AM

MyronW,
Thanks for the heart attack! I got to the point in your comment where you said my new dust collector “SUCKS” and I immediately had chest pain! Here I am, with the new collector not even out of the boxes yet and someone is telling me it “SUCKS”. It took several minutes for your next comment to sink in…where you said, “In a good way”. Thanks so much for the tip about 6” hose fitting into the bell end of the S & D pipe and couplers! That bit of info will make the job much easier. I have been worried about making all of the connections. I’m going to run a cable in the S & D and bring it out the side of the pipe about 4” above the cement slab. That way, if I get a blockage, I will have easy access to a way to clean out the pipe by disconnecting the coupling, accessing the cable and attaching something to the other end and pulling it thru. Once all the S & D in laying under the concrete slab, there’s no access to it except above slab level.

-- Forget the health food, I need all the preservatives I can get !

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#3 posted 09-27-2007 02:12 AM

Sorry for the near coronary! (hehe)
My electrician put in a neat trick for the cyclone, too. I bought the relay that Ed Morgano specified, and Sparky mounted it at shoulder height next to the cyclone in a NEMA box. The 220V circuit is dedicated for the motor, and the relay is wired in a 3-way configuration, with one switch at the relay, and the other at the light panel near the man-door. That makes it easy to get to from anywhere in the shop. If I could find a wireless system that would work with the 3-way, I’d get it, but no joy yet.

Do you have your lighting worked out? I designed mine so that I would have 100 foot-candles throughout the shop. It makes it so much easier to see. We used commercial fixtures, with electronic ballasts. No flicker! 18 2-tube fixtures in 3 rows of 3 (2 each, end-to-end). The lights are on 2 circuits, with one circuit controlling 4 sets and the other controlling 5 sets. That way I can adjust the brightness somewhat.

If you’d like, I’ll post some detailed pictures of my shop. There’s a couple now in the Workshop section of LJ. Sparky also took 167 pictures of the wiring before the walls were closed up, so there’s some interesting stuff in there, too.

Myron

-- The days are long and the years are short...

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Calgirl

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#4 posted 09-27-2007 02:45 AM

Myron,
Well, I just posted some pics. One is my drawing to the general contractor which he sent on to the engineer to be used in his drawings. The next two are the engineers concept of two views of the shop. The sliding barn door is going to be moved to the West wall and I am having my driveway extended beside the existing garage to the entry of the workshop.

Lighting:
Actually, all I have done is have the engineer draw in electrical boxes (and wiring) in the rafters. I have not done much planning for the lights….important as they are! I was going to get commercial fixtures flourescent. That’s as far as I got. Your help is appreciated.

Dust Collector Electrical:
I think some kind of “off-on” remote came with the cyclone. I’ll have to open the boxes and find out.

-- Forget the health food, I need all the preservatives I can get !

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#5 posted 09-27-2007 04:24 AM

I did the same thing. Moving from California that is, but to Texas so I know what you mean about the humidity.

I moved to a .75 acre lot and the first thing I did was to build my dream shop which you can see at:

http://lumberjocks.com/jocks/GaryK/workshop

Gary

-- Gary - Never pass up the opportunity to make a mistake look like you planned it that way - Tyler, TX

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