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Clear Vue dust collector install #2: Motor is up, but not running yet

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Blog entry by BillyJ posted 08-13-2010 02:42 AM 3564 reads 0 times favorited 13 comments Add to Favorites Watch
« Part 1: Getting started - day 1 Part 2 of Clear Vue dust collector install series Part 3: FINISHED - AT LAST!!! »

There is a simple reason for the delay in this install – I don’t like to spend money on things I will not use. Yes, I will use the dust collector, but I had to convince myself that adding the vibration isolator brackets would be worth the investment in the long run.

I changed a couple of things in the motor mount bracket. First, rather than using the MDF (not that it would have been bad), I made a plywood motor mount. If you haven’t visited Bill Pentz’s web page on dust collection, you owe it to yourself (http://billpentz.com/woodworking/cyclone/index.cfm). Talk about an education!

In his discussion on noise control, he suggests attaching a vibration isolator. I used one from Granger (Mason – 5C141). I decided on a change in color, thus they are painted yellow. Oh, btw – they are $32 each! Guess I can’t return them now.

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Although the original mounting connectors were 1/4-20 bolts attached to a 1/4-20 t-nut, I knocked out the t-nut and drilled a 3/8” clearance hole. I decided to go with the maximum sized bolt diameter that was on the vibration isolation bracket, and used fender washers for extra holding power on the wood.

The instructions supplied with the dust collector are very good and easy to follow. Anyone using their head would have followed those directions, but I would have had to call someone to come over. Instead, I lifted the 5 HP Leeson motor, motor mount, and attached brackets, to the wall brackets without anyone being there (9’ 6” up). Sure it was easy. Now comes the hard part – installing the impeller! A bit lighter, but I will still be fighting gravity in snugging it up to the motor shaft.

I also started with the electrical. I cannibalized a Ace Lamson HW2190 outdoor remote switch and am going to hook it up to the relay. So far I’ve started mounting everything into the PVC box. Next, run the wires. I am going to also install two switches – one for the 110v relay / remote, and another for the 220v motor. That will allow me to make any changes without having to worry about dangling hot wires.

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I’m hoping to have a test-run this weekend. So far, everything is going together quite well.

-- I've never seen a tree that I wouldn't like to repurpose into a project. I love the smell of wood in the morning - it smells like victory.



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JJohnston

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#1 posted 08-13-2010 03:33 AM

You may want to turn the motor around now, while you have the chance. The capacitors (which you may have to get into someday) are facing the wall.

Here’s my installation:

http://www.gallery2.clearvuecyclones.com/v/CV1800+and+CVMax/JJohnston/

-- "Sorry I'm late. Somebody tampered with my brakes." "You should have been early, then."

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BillyJ

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#2 posted 08-13-2010 03:52 AM

Thanks for the suggestion. I did have it turned around, but thought I could pick up 2’ by facing it in that direction. However, your point is well taken. It looks like I will have to turn it around again! Thanks for suggesting that now!

-- I've never seen a tree that I wouldn't like to repurpose into a project. I love the smell of wood in the morning - it smells like victory.

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ShopDogs

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#3 posted 08-13-2010 04:12 AM

Damn, Bill. Those of us who use duct tape and baling wire are shamed! You do class work, my friend. I am going to re-do my vac system in October. Would you enjoy a trip to Oklahoma?

Michael

-- ShopDogs, Tulsa, OK The tools aren't the problem-It's the organic interface!

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RonPeters

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#4 posted 08-13-2010 05:04 AM

I take it it’s rather noisy? Has anyone used a dB meter to determine how loud it is?

Can’t wait to hear the results of the dust removal….

-- “Once more unto the breach, dear friends...” Henry V - Act III, Scene I

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BillyJ

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#5 posted 08-13-2010 02:18 PM

Ron – I believe all DC’s are loud. From video I’ve seen on the CV-1800, it runs between 80 – 82 dB. However, that’s with it being in a closet, using insulation, and making sure everything is sealed. My Jet is loud, and when I run my router table or planer, I always put ear protection on. I’ll probably still do the same thing even if it does come in at 80 dB.

From everything I’ve read, and from those LJ that have a CV-1800, it picks up dust – not just chips. I’m not in the shop all day, but I still want my lungs to look good another 20 years from now. After reading Bill Pentz, I decided to do something for my health. Small price to pay in order to enjoy woodworking the rest of my life!

-- I've never seen a tree that I wouldn't like to repurpose into a project. I love the smell of wood in the morning - it smells like victory.

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BillyJ

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#6 posted 08-13-2010 02:19 PM

Michael – October is not a good month. Usually beer is flowing somewhere, so every weekend is spent at some fest. However, I’m sure I can find something going on in OK – sure, I’ll be there.

-- I've never seen a tree that I wouldn't like to repurpose into a project. I love the smell of wood in the morning - it smells like victory.

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Rustic

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#7 posted 08-13-2010 02:55 PM

I’ll gladly go with ya Billy (to keep you alert on the drive) LOL Nice job so far. may have you come and pay me a visit to figure my DC set up

-- www.carvingandturningsbyrick.com, Rick Kruse, Grand Rapids, MI

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BillyJ

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#8 posted 08-13-2010 03:05 PM

Rick – sounds good to me. Have fun turning today – it’s going to be a hot one!!

-- I've never seen a tree that I wouldn't like to repurpose into a project. I love the smell of wood in the morning - it smells like victory.

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Rileysdad

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#9 posted 08-13-2010 03:15 PM

Vibration isolators? What’s that all about. These things are meant to howl! I have one in my shop and I have to get a clearance from Air Traffic Control before I start it up. Sounds like an F-16 on afterburner. But man does that thing work. It’ll suck the chrome off your trailer hitch!

By the way, I piped 6” PVC to all the machines without any grounding wire and I’ve never had a problem in the 4 years I’ve had it.

-- Measure twice, cut once, buy extra stock.

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BillyJ

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#10 posted 08-13-2010 03:21 PM

Hey, I’m planning on doing this only once – have to go all the way, right?!? The plumbing store in town carries the 6” S&D PVC @ $20 for a 10’ section. I looked into the metal ducts – I’d have to apply for a loan from the Treasury Dept in order to get mine running. I’m still debating on the grounding part. I’ve read it, believe it, but still flipping a coin. Perhaps I’ll use the metal tape.

-- I've never seen a tree that I wouldn't like to repurpose into a project. I love the smell of wood in the morning - it smells like victory.

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jockmike2

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#11 posted 08-13-2010 10:51 PM

Bj I got the HF 2hp DC and want to make one of these, any plans you have would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, mike

-- (You just have to please the man in the Mirror) Mike from Michigan -

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BillyJ

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#12 posted 08-14-2010 12:41 AM

Mike – if you visit the Clear Vue web site http://www.clearvuecyclones.com/ and pull down the Clearvue Community bar, you can see what others have done. Between that and Bill Pentz’s site, there is A LOT of information on building the dust collector. In fact, on Bill Pentz’s site, he takes you step-by-step through the process of making one from scratch.

This Clear Vue DC came complete (with everything already cut, drilled, and molded). The instruction sheet is fairly specific to this DC. I tried the link above and it didn’t work. Here is a good link:

http://billpentz.com/woodworking/cyclone/index.cfm

-- I've never seen a tree that I wouldn't like to repurpose into a project. I love the smell of wood in the morning - it smells like victory.

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John Ormsby

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#13 posted 08-14-2010 01:03 AM

BillyJ, I put in 6” metal spiral pipe system in my shop with the Clearvue. I found the pipe and fittings locally for very reasonable prices. Make sure you use long sweep 90 degree elbows for any turns. Or two 45 dgree elbows. I know of others who have installed S&D pipe without any problems. I believe the most important thing to do is make sure you put on some good blast gates and bring 6” as close as possibles to the machines. I found the Lee Valley gates easy to install and they work very well:

http://www.leevalley.com/us/wood/page.aspx?c=&p=51506&cat=1,42401,62597

I will be glad to answer any questions about the install.

John

-- Oldworld, Fair Oaks, Ca

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