A complaint: one member's opinion.

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Blog entry by BigTiny posted 05-21-2011 10:44 AM 6544 reads 0 times favorited 39 comments Add to Favorites Watch

Is it just me, or does anyone else here feel irked about the string of users here lately who log on, post a bunch of “projects” that are nothing but ads for their own often overpriced plan web sites, then log off without taking any real part in our community?

This commercial abuse of our hosts here makes me see red. These folks have zero interest in our community other than as a source of income.

The newest of these is one “andydachippy”, who joined Friday and promptly posted a dozen and a half “projects”, each an ad for one of his overpriced plans on his commercial web site within his first few hours here.

His was not the only such “member” I’ve noticed in the last few days, just the latest and most blatant.

I for one will, for decency’s sake if for no other, will never spend penny one with any of these abusers. I advise all my fellow LJs to do likewise.

Please understand, I am not advising such treatment for honest members of our community who do take part in our community and contribute to the richness of the LJ experience, just those whose sole interest in us is our wallets.

The soapbox is now vacant.

-- The nicer the nice, the higher the price!

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View miles125's profile


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#1 posted 05-21-2011 12:58 PM

I don’t quite get the strategy of selling plans to seasoned woodworkers where a photograph or two suffices as “plans” in the first place. Maybe it’s just spammers buying from other spammers and justice really is served.

-- "The way to make a small fortune in woodworking- start with a large one"

View mafe's profile


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#2 posted 05-21-2011 01:26 PM

People like this come and go fast, so no problem, just let it go.
Best thoughts,

-- MAD F, the fanatical rhykenologist and vintage architect. Democraticwoodworking.

View carlow's profile


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#3 posted 05-21-2011 01:47 PM

I agree with miles125 any half competent woody would only need a couple of photos to be able to come up with their own take on the project. Never bought plans and never will ,as they say a picture is worth a 1000 words [or a set of plans]

-- carlow geelong australia

View helluvawreck's profile


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#4 posted 05-21-2011 02:38 PM

I try not to let anything on here bother me. I am powerless to change anything here so I just go with the flow. As long as I enjoy it and the people here I will keep coming.

-- helluvawreck aka Charles,

View Woodbutchery's profile


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#5 posted 05-21-2011 02:43 PM

And I’m with mafe.

I come to this site for inspiration and to share knowledge. I currently take in so much more than I give out that I assume that I’ll be pulling close to even with my last breath. I assume many of us feel that way.

I’m all for entrepreneurship, and wish everyone the best of luck when it comes to being one’s own boss. While it might be nice if they become a part of the community, they shouldn’t really have that big of an effect over this large group of people who find solace, strength, and a sense of community.

So. The ones who want to actually contribute, will. The others? They’re here. They’re gone. Move on.

-- Making scrap with zen-like precision - Woodbutchery

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#6 posted 05-21-2011 03:01 PM

So i say to big tiny what is wrong with sharing my work and ideas most of my work takes a lot of planning and time is taken to maticulously draw these projects part for part my two books are reasonably priced check them out

-- Plans and books available at:

View ClayandNancy's profile


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#7 posted 05-21-2011 03:06 PM

LJ’s is for sharing projects, ideas, information, knowledge, and general help about woodworking. Not to push a website and not participate with other woodworkers. BRAVO Tiny

View Jack_T's profile


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#8 posted 05-21-2011 03:34 PM

I have a problem with it also. I am with you Tiny.

-- Jack T, John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him might not perish but might have eternal life."

View patron's profile


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#9 posted 05-21-2011 03:50 PM


glad you have written some books
i hope they sell

we are working to be family here
mostly come ‘home’
to relax
and enjoy each others work
and friendships

we just give each other
everything we got

we sell our work
out in the streets
if we can

drop the load
and relax
with us

-- david - only thru kindness can this world be whole . If we don't succeed we run the risk of failure. Dan Quayle

View rance's profile


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#10 posted 05-21-2011 03:55 PM

Well, I generally agree with you Tiny. But I think most folks here will see through mere ‘advertisers’ and not interact with them.

OK, now here’s where I’ll step in it. Take a look at Tommy Mac. He’s not posted here in over 3 months, and most of what he posts is related to his own interests. And from what I’ve seen, his posts to members projects/blogs are more of ‘good job’ rather than offering real solutions. The difference seems to be the good ole boys club. Tommy is a member, others are not. Why is he a member? His sole purpose here seems to be self serving. Does it detract from LJ, I doubt it. These members have just as much right to post within the guidelines as anyone else. It is up to other members to choose to participate with them or not.

And how about Steve? His posts/videos may be construed to lure folks to his mere mortals site. Is that all bad? One of the differences here is that Steve gives freely to this community through his videos. He truely offers something for his readers/watchers. Is it so bad that he ‘lures’ folks to his website? I think not.

Others might be considered similar: Scrollgirl, Marc S., gww. Again, I think members can weed through the chaff. I don’t think we have too much considering the member base.

Just my 2c worth.

-- Backer boards, stop blocks, build oversized, and never buy a hand plane--

View andydachippy's profile


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#11 posted 05-21-2011 04:03 PM

I am not here to promote or sell plans i found this site through a friend and i am happy to contribute, i am a skilled woodworker and draughts man and all i ever set out to do do is share my work and expetiences with others who have the same interest.. I am sorry if i have started off on the wrong foot and do appologise, I will be happy to share some of my work of which there are no plans or selling. ps take a look at the side adds on this site

-- Plans and books available at:

View longgone's profile


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#12 posted 05-21-2011 04:44 PM

I guess ads are fine (if they are paid advertisements for the benefit of the website owners) and we all have the choice of viewing or ignoring them. I personally choose to ignore them also and never use plans to build a project…other than my hand drawn sketches.
I do not think the postings are an appropriate place for ads or self promotion. Keep paid ads outside of the postings so they can be easily ignored for those of us not interested in them or easily viewed by those that might benefit from them.
I did open a free Intuit credit card merchant account from a paid ad in Lumberjocks…so they do have their place.

View ~Julie~'s profile


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#13 posted 05-21-2011 04:48 PM

The way this site is set up, anyone can post as many photos of products as they like and with whatever information… be it for sales or whatever.

If you are reading this, Andy, you will see that most people that post projects also tell what wood they used, some techniques or tools, who they made it for, etc. When you posted your projects you just put a name for it, and then an ad for your plans. That is why some people here find it not to be contributing as part of the general community we have established here.

-- ~Julie~

View BigTiny's profile


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#14 posted 05-21-2011 04:50 PM

I agree that ads have their place, but not disguised as a member’s projects, right? They are using the generousity of the web site owners to promote their own commercial enterprises without payment.

There’s a word for using something for commercial purposes without paying for it.


-- The nicer the nice, the higher the price!

View mafe's profile


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#15 posted 05-21-2011 05:26 PM

Buy id a member do a project and then hake some plans he wants to sell is that a problem?
He share the idea, and then if you want you can copy otherwise you can buy the plan.
I cant see the problem, it must be fair that he can make a buck on those who will rather buy the plan then to make their own.
Ofcourse it is different if company produce handplanes and post them there.
Best thoughts,

-- MAD F, the fanatical rhykenologist and vintage architect. Democraticwoodworking.

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