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Blog entry by BertFlores58 posted 08-27-2010 07:17 AM 2805 reads 3 times favorited 14 comments Add to Favorites Watch
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I am looking forward in doing some mosaic of wood. I was amazed by the capability of sketchup in trying to design those combinations. I know I am motivated by those who created designs for boxes, lazy susan, table tops and many others… To mention some.. Larry (Degoose), Spalm, Martyn (Britboxmaker), Gary K., etc. I posted this series for those who are interested in constructing it.

Just click the photo to make it full screen…

whirlpool

-- Bert



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degoose

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#1 posted 08-27-2010 08:01 AM

Ok… I am sitting here waiting….

-- Drink twice... and don't bother to cut... @ lazylarrywoodworks.com.au For lovers of all things timber...

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Eric_S

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#2 posted 08-27-2010 02:05 PM

I wish you luck, that will look really good when its complete but man does that look complicated. How many pieces is that? How are you going to tackle those cuts? At first I thought it was a real spiral, which would be tricky as hell since all the pieces would be different thicknesses, but now I see its just an illusion of a spiral. This will definitely be a cool piece when its finished. I look forward to updates on it.

-- - Eric Indianapolis, IN

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BritBoxmaker

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#3 posted 08-27-2010 03:55 PM

I look forward to seeing this, in the flesh, Bert.

-- Martyn -- Boxologist, Pattern Juggler and Candyman of the visually challenging. http://www.theartofboxes.com

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PurpLev

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#4 posted 08-27-2010 04:00 PM

So here’s a question for you (and Martyn, and Larry if you guys are still watching) – since each piece in this design is oriented in a different direction, it means that it will expand/shrink separately then it’s mating pieces.

the question – won’t this type of design create many glue lines failures and gaps in the long run?

just curious, as I had designs that broke the straight lines formality but I didn’t know if they would survive the test of time.

-- ㊍ When in doubt - There is no doubt - Go the safer route.

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BritBoxmaker

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#5 posted 08-27-2010 04:53 PM

Sharon, expansion failures could be minimised by making the pattern end grain aligning growth rings with the concentric circles of the pattern (as on the original tree the wood came from). Though how Bert is going to cut the pieces will be interesting.

-- Martyn -- Boxologist, Pattern Juggler and Candyman of the visually challenging. http://www.theartofboxes.com

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Spoontaneous

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#6 posted 08-27-2010 04:59 PM

I gotta see this!

-- I just got done cutting three boards and all four of them were too short. (true story)

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BertFlores58

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#7 posted 08-27-2010 05:02 PM

During the planning stage, I was thinking how to realize the joints and pieces. Counting the pieces in groups…

360 degrees /10 degrees = 36 sides in a circle
15 concentric circles x 2 pcs (making a pair of triangles) = 30 pcs
+ the center circles with tripple x 6 spiral arc…
Just the triangles… total = 30×36 = 1080 pcs

A total of 5 color of wood.

HOW?
i will actually be using a baseboard (plywood) to hold radial sector (6 of same combination) and 6 different combination. Cut this sectors to be exact on 10 degrees. Form a circle (36 sectors) by gluing it to a final baseboard.

Purplev, I was already proactive on the difficulty of warping and glue effect on shrinkage and expanding. I am now looking for exotic wood that are really not expanding much.. probably.. NARRA (Orange), IPIL (Red), MOLAVE (Yellow), MAHOGANY (Pinkish), KAMAGONG (Black), Alternate choice MANGO (White). I need wood that are stable.. and of course available at my shop now.. These are all reclaimed wood. With the glue problem…. I have to use different glue…. edge to edge – I will be using my hard EVOSTIK., for the baseboard.. I will use rubber glue for flexibility… Here in the Philippines a brand name RUGBY is commonly used for veneering.. NO PROBLEM at all even with water…

Thanks everyone, truly if I will be able to realize this in flesh…. I have made my OBRA MAESTRA to just be placed in my dining table….

-- Bert

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majeagle1

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#8 posted 08-27-2010 05:39 PM

This will TRULY be an amazing feat!
Can’t wait to see the completed project…...

This will be wonderful to watch along the way….........

-- Gene, Majestic Eagle Woodworks, http://majesticeagleww.etsy.com/, http://www.flickr.com/photos/majesticeagle/

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fernandoindia

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#9 posted 08-27-2010 07:10 PM

Oh common Larry & Martin. What Bert said : ”... I posted this series for those who are interested in constructing it….”

Don´t be afraid of the syringe

Nice challenge Bert. Dishwashing time

-- Back home. Fernando

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majeagle1

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#10 posted 08-27-2010 07:35 PM

Fernando is right…..... it DID sound like a challenge.

Martyn, how about doing 5 of these and inlaying them into a box with a border do match???
That would keep you busy for maybe a week !!! LOL

And Larry, if THIS isn’t a Lazy Larry Susan, I don’t know what is !!!

-- Gene, Majestic Eagle Woodworks, http://majesticeagleww.etsy.com/, http://www.flickr.com/photos/majesticeagle/

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BritBoxmaker

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#11 posted 08-27-2010 08:02 PM

This is an intriguing design and on studying it, its acheivable but I will not steal Bert’s thunder. I don’t do things that way. Even if there is an open invitation from Bert, it is his design and its only polite to let him have first crack at it.

That is my final word on this until he posts the completed project.

-- Martyn -- Boxologist, Pattern Juggler and Candyman of the visually challenging. http://www.theartofboxes.com

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majeagle1

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#12 posted 08-27-2010 08:18 PM

You are so right Martyn…......... way to go!

I didn’t mean it in the sense for you to “up stage” Bert at all…........

I would love to see ALL of you take a crack at it when the time is right.
It is sure WAY beyond me, that’s for sure !

-- Gene, Majestic Eagle Woodworks, http://majesticeagleww.etsy.com/, http://www.flickr.com/photos/majesticeagle/

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Flemming

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#13 posted 08-27-2010 11:39 PM

i am definitely following this…

all the best my friend!!

-- Flemming. It's only a mistake if you can't fix it.

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BertFlores58

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#14 posted 08-28-2010 12:11 AM

Guys,
If you really what to challenge yourself in doing it, up to you. the design is in sketchup and I am willing to give it away. I have 3 spiral design finished. What is important to make the proper curve is the concentric circle template. The increasing diameter is based on the length of each side of the sector.. Here is the template.

template

Here is another variation.. but still on the line

interlaced

If you want a sketchup… PM me and just I will attached the sketchup file.

THANKS, key… the challenge must be from your heart… others inspire but yourself perspire.

-- Bert

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