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Morris Chair Project! #11: Got the chair stain!

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Blog entry by Beginningwoodworker posted 1427 days ago 1433 reads 0 times favorited 13 comments Add to Favorites Watch
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I got the morris chair stain in the last few days. The pictures dont do it any justice.

Got a few questions, why dont oak stain evenly.

-- CJIII Future cabinetmaker



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lew

9937 posts in 2351 days


#1 posted 1427 days ago

CJ, Sometimes depending on how the red oak was cut (flat, rift quarter) it will take stain a little differently.

Also, I have noticed that red oak is very difficult to remove any glue squeeze out. The deep grain and pores really hold onto the glue. If you use a wet rag to remove glue, it will dilute it and then it gets sucked down into the pores/grain. I usually let the squeeze out alone for about 15-20 minutes and then use a sharp knife or chisel to lift it off. This way it doesn’t get smear into the grain.

Don’t know if this helps.

Lew

-- Lew- Time traveler. Purveyor of the Universe's finest custom rolling pins.

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degoose

6967 posts in 1950 days


#2 posted 1427 days ago

Now it is all coming together.. nicely done…

-- Drink twice... and don't bother to cut... @ lazylarrywoodworks.com.au For lovers of all things timber...

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jack1

1907 posts in 2623 days


#3 posted 1427 days ago

You’re doing really well. As you continue to work with red oak you’ll really get to like it for its other features especially routing edges and the flexibility if you ever make some slats for a different type of chair. It’s my favorite wood.

-- jack -- ...measure once, curse twice!

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RonPeters

708 posts in 1476 days


#4 posted 1427 days ago

One thing instrument makers (violin family) do is we put a thin layer of clear liquin over the wood first, then we apply stains and polish. I realize that this is counter intuitive to what everyone is doing, but this technique does two things.

1. It keeps the porous wood FROM soaking in all the color. If you’ve seen wood that seems to ‘bleed’ color? It looks ‘muddy’ to me. This stops it from doing that.

2. Because of layering, it allows the depth of the wood to come through. If you’ve ever studied the back of a violin you see all the flame and it appears deep? Yes, it is quarter sawn which does lend itself to the flashy grain appearance, but it wouldn’t look like that using the stain-on-wood technique. Violins are traditionally constructed of Acer pseudoplatanus maple. The beauty of the wood is what folks cherish.

So, by sealing the wood, then evenly applying thin translucent layers over that, depth is achieved.

I liken it to the jet-black paint job on a car – you know, the one you can shave in? It’s a mirror finish.

I’m sure the technique can be adapted to oak. FWIW

-- “Once more unto the breach, dear friends...” Henry V - Act III, Scene I

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woodpeckerbill

202 posts in 1869 days


#5 posted 1427 days ago

Charles,
If you don’t mind a suggestion….sand down the stained areas. Get some oak grain filler. Use it as directed. When dry, sand it smooth. Stain. When dry, apply tour finish. Do not be dishearted. You are doing a really bang up job on this chair.
Bill

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Eric_S

1521 posts in 1791 days


#6 posted 1427 days ago

CJ, you are making excellent progress. Thats going to be a really nice looking and comfortable chair when its finished. Great job!

-- - Eric Indianapolis, IN

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Delta356

458 posts in 1450 days


#7 posted 1427 days ago

Great looking chair. that’s coming out great.

Thanks, Michael Frey
Portland, OR

FREY WOODWORKING INC.

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ND2ELK

13495 posts in 2370 days


#8 posted 1427 days ago

When glueing up your projects, have a small bucket of warm water and a clean rag in it. Ring out the rag and wipe all your joints when clamping. Keep water clean and change often. I never have had any problem with oak. You need to lightly sand where water was used as it raises the grain. Your chair is coming along nicely. It looks like it is very well built.

God Bless
tom

-- Mc Bridge Cabinets, Iowa

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Roz

1658 posts in 2382 days


#9 posted 1427 days ago

Hey Charles,
Your project is really moving along! I think these guys have nailed you question on staining. Careful with the glue and keep a bowl and sponge handy. It saves a lot of sanding.

-- Terry Roswell, L.A. (Lower Alabama) "Life is what happens to you when you are making other plans."

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blockhead

1450 posts in 1904 days


#10 posted 1424 days ago

This is coming along rather nicely Charles.

I noticed in the last pic it appears you are using the Minwax Polyshades. I myself have had very little luck with the product. I use their regular water and oil based stains frequently on red oak at work with great results. I stay away from the polyshades though. As Jarrod suggested, don’t use too fine of a grit when sanding. I go to 220 max on some projects.

-- Brad, Oregon- The things that come to those who wait, may be the things left by those who got there first.

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Beginningwoodworker

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#11 posted 1424 days ago

Ok, I may redo the finish.

-- CJIII Future cabinetmaker

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NBeener

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#12 posted 1420 days ago

Hey, Charles:

I’M learning a LOT from all the comments on your project. Really glad you’ve been posting, all along !

Looks great ! Thanks for keeping the blog coming !

-- -- Neil

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zlatanv

689 posts in 1830 days


#13 posted 1420 days ago

Looks great, one thing I learned about oak the hard way is when you wipe off the glue with a wet rag and let it dry, the areas that got wet will get black spots that look a lot like mold, it will take a lot of sanding to get rid of it, so don’t get it too wet, the best thing is to do what lew said and let it sit for a while then use a knife or chisel to lift off the dried glue. this has happened to me the last few times i have used oak, not sure what it is. Chair looks really good.

-- Z, Rockwall, TX

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