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Blog entry by BarryW posted 1064 days ago 1442 reads 1 time favorited 23 comments Add to Favorites Watch

I found an article today on the internet how Gibson Guitars was raided by the DOJ. I thought maybe it was illegal workers, income tax, something other than what the article was about. Illegal wood. It was a complete shock for me. If they are raiding guitar makers….and to raid Gibson you know it’s a show raid to make as much publicity as possible….then it won’t be long when woodworkers are going to have to prove where the wood they use for projects will have to be documented on everything they make. Talk about paperwork overload. This will add cost to the bottom line of many project….if not every project some day. I provide the link to the article that I found and you can think about it potential impact:

Legal wood?

Are there any woodworkers who have experience with the DOJ in a raid???? Just asking.

-- /\/\/\ BarryW /\/\/\ Stay so busy you don't have time to die.



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Bertha

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#1 posted 1064 days ago

Food for thought, that’s for sure.

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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#2 posted 1064 days ago

Gibson’s press release (I was just about to post this, but thought it best to search first.. glad I did)
http://www.gibson.com/absolutenm/templates/FeatureTemplatePressRelease.aspx?articleid=1340&zoneid=6

edit:
Video: http://www.gibson.com/en-us/lifestyle/news/gibson-0825-2011/

-- Dan, Rochester, NY

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superstretch

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#3 posted 1064 days ago

I’m glad this guy (president perhaps?) is speaking out against government injustice. This stuff royally pisses me off.

edit:
The wood was signed off on by the Indian gov’t, yet the US gov’t acted and raided the plant—not because it violated US law, but because it “violated” Indian law.

OMG PLANES

-- Dan, Rochester, NY

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CampD

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#4 posted 1064 days ago

I was just thinking about something along these lines the other day. I own 3 woodlots and with the regualtions that are in place now I just wonder what they will be like in say 20-30 or more years, 1 lot wont be ready to harvest for 60-70 yrs what will it be like then. Will we have to get government approval to even think about harvesting one tree? will they regulate us some much that it wont be worth the trouble? can’t even sell now the market sucks that much.

-- Doug...

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helluvawreck

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#5 posted 1064 days ago

In 20 or 30 years you’ll have to have a permit to go use the bath room – if our country’s still here.

-- If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away. Henry David Thoreau

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Bertha

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#6 posted 1064 days ago

^and it’ll be a government toilet, fee for flush.

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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#7 posted 1064 days ago

“fee for flush”

LOL !

I think the term POS still applies, though ;-)

Like most things … we have to find a better balance. Few of us probably want to see beautiful exotic species killed off, into extinction. In many countries, efforts have been made to help the population see that clear-cutting is a near-term gain, but very short-sighted, and that industries can be profitably built and run on the natural resources that “are getting in the way of development.”

With luck, we’ll have sustainable growth, and an INCREASE in the diversity of species that we can use and enjoy.

Okay: a LOT of luck ;-)

-- -- Neil

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#8 posted 1064 days ago

The devil is in the details.

It is certainly possible that this is the result of some out-of-control official in the DOJ.
But it is also possible that Gibson’s characterization of the situation is influenced by their economic interest.
Don’t make sense politically that the government would go out of its way to impact jobs needlessly.
The little snippits of information I’ve seen are nowhere near sufficient to draw a reliable conclusion either way.
That is what courts are for.

As far as “government regulation”, I dunno.
I haven’t seen what the DoJ says the issue is.
Maybe the Indian government isn’t enforcing its laws because someone there got a kickback.
I have heard that the US and some other western governments have anti-corruption laws.
You break laws there by bribing officials you can be convicted here.
As insidious, damaging, and common as corruption is in many places, including India, I can see strong arguments for such laws.

Seems to me it is pretty rash to jump to any conclusion at this point.
The devil is in the details, and the details are still MIA.

-- Greg D.

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#9 posted 1064 days ago

costa rica made it a law
that you must hire 80%
of the workforce from the country
(and only bring in outsiders
if they didn’t have someone qualified)
and make things with the wood there
and yes they need permits to cut trees
and have farms now

before the industries were harvesting logs
and shipping them to europe for veneers

1 guy with a chainsaw
1 guy with a truck
any freighter

one log could earn $40,000
but the country got almost nothing

-- david - only thru kindness can this world be whole . If we don't succeed we run the risk of failure. Dan Quayle

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superstretch

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#10 posted 1064 days ago

David- The funny thing is—India didn’t even have a problem with it. This whole mess (both now and 2 years ago) is ridiculous. Gibson has shown no fault and that they’ve complied with all regulations (both foreign and domestic) in both cases, yet the wood (even from 2009) has not been returned.

All I can think of is that Eric Holder likes his house finished with ebony and rosewood.. and needed $1M more worth.

Or maybe this is just one of the ways the super-congress is looking to get funds

-- Dan, Rochester, NY

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Bertha

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#11 posted 1064 days ago

I’m definitely against raping and pillaging the lanscape, however I must admit, I’ve got much bigger fish to fry than worrying about imported lumber. Maybe I’m a bad woodworker or even a bad citizen for that matter. I just don’t like the idea of calling my lawyer from Woodcraft, asking him to review the most recent lumber laws in India.

I once needed Wildlife and Fisheries when a large deer was eviscerated by (what appeared to be) an even larger animal on my property. There are many small children roaming the woods of my neighborhood, so there’s that. When someone finally called me back they said, “I don’t know, probably a big dog or sumpin”. Just sayin.

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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#12 posted 1064 days ago

“much bigger fish to fry”

Like upholding the 4th and 5th Amendments.

-- Dan, Rochester, NY

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#13 posted 1064 days ago

If anyone should be arrested, its for Norm Abrams use of Chestnut on today’s/this coming week’s: http://www.newyankee.com/online.php

Also HOLY BAND SAW BLADE, BATMAN! (5:00 in)

-- Dan, Rochester, NY

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Bertha

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#14 posted 1064 days ago

^yeah, like you (probably), Stretch, I’m so fatigued from all this green and eco posturing that honest-to-goodness righteous causes are lost in my hippy scorn. It just takes a lot for me to give an honest crap about regulations. Like I said initially, though, this one’s food for thought and could certainly spin out of control for the lowly board-foot lumber buyer.

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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crank49

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#15 posted 1064 days ago

Gibson must have made a contribution to the GOP or something.

Used to be this kind of government over-reaching crap was done with way more class. This administration either doesn’t give a damn, or they are too ignorant to realize folks will see through it, or they are so arrogant they figure they are above all laws. I’m sick of the whole mess.

-- Michael :-{| “If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.” ― A H

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